Is it time for relics to be the same ilevel as savage weapons?

[Sylvina]

On the other hand, you can't get raid gear by mindlessly farming hunts or doing your weekly 24 man raid.

You can't mindlessly do Rabanastre that's utter bull. you can't "Mindlessly" do any current dungeon for that matter. You need some level of effort to get anywhere at max level it just is a matter of whether its a little effort or a lot.

I am getting real sick of your mentality, its really deragatory toward anyone who doesn't enjoy playing the same way as you.

[Sebazy]

I am getting real sick of your mentality, its really deragatory toward anyone who doesn't enjoy playing the same way as you.

Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them toxic =(

[Sylvina]

Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them toxic =(

No, but they don't have to word their posts in a way which sounds really condescending towards anyone who doesn't enjoy the hardest content, and I say this as someone who does.

[bugmancer]

Yes we know raiding is super hard and makes you super special for clearing it when it's relevant but why do you give a heck if relics EVENTUALLY equal out to raid gear? the game appeals to all types of people who like different aspects of the game for different reason. does someone making a relic because they don't raid take anything at all away from your accomplishments? no, not in the slightest. so why even complain about it? because it kills incentive to raid? raiding will always be at the forefront on ilvl and once you beat it you can sit around going afk at your retainer bell exactly like the rest of us.

[F_Maximillian]

Yes we know raiding is super hard and makes you super special for clearing it when it's relevant but why do you give a heck if relics EVENTUALLY equal out to raid gear? the game appeals to all types of people who like different aspects of the game for different reason. does someone making a relic because they don't raid take anything at all away from your accomplishments? no, not in the slightest. so why even complain about it? because it kills incentive to raid? raiding will always be at the forefront on ilvl and once you beat it you can sit around going afk at your retainer bell exactly like the rest of us.

If you bothered reading the thread you would see that most raiders don't mind relics equaling out with raid gear. Just not every patch but at the end of the expansion.

[AmeliaVerves]

I think a very important thing which was not mentioned yet, is the fact that there exists a certain type of competition among raiders. At least among the good teams.
Those people aim for very high numbers and to achieve those they need the best possible gear to be better than the other top 10% of the same class. To get those tiny last percentages out and out DPS your contestants you definetly need BiS gear.
For now BiS gear is a mixture of augmented Allagan gear and raid gear, means you have to grind tomestones AND clear the savages to get the BiS!

If you now add a Relic of same ilvl and stats as the savage weapon it will change the contest! Even if you cannot choose the stats yourself it still might be the fact the relic has better off stats than the savage one, which means that all the raiders that want those top ratings now need to put in more time to get that relic and then do the speed runs (again).

I think the relic should have same ilvl as the tomestone wep/augmented tomestone wep. Would be another way to get a really good weapon with a way more fancy style than tomestone one.

[HyoMinPark]

Yes we know raiding is super hard and makes you super special for clearing it when it's relevant but why do you give a heck if relics EVENTUALLY equal out to raid gear? the game appeals to all types of people who like different aspects of the game for different reason. does someone making a relic because they don't raid take anything at all away from your accomplishments? no, not in the slightest. so why even complain about it? because it kills incentive to raid? raiding will always be at the forefront on ilvl and once you beat it you can sit around going afk at your retainer bell exactly like the rest of us.

I'm guessing you didn't read the thread at all. Raiders don't care if the relics eventually are on-par with the Savage weapons--just not in the same patch. Introduce an i345 relic at the same time as an i345 Savage weapon and bam, Savage weapons are immediately invalidated. Why even put them in the game. I could grind out a relic in a week or two rather than wait until I clear a tier possibly 8 times to get a Savage weapon.

It has absolutely nothing with "killing the incentive to raid"--raiders will still raid. Just the Savage weapons--the reward for clearing a tier--are entirely worthless outside of glamour. Especially if relics had customizable stats.

[bugmancer]

and this is why ultimate is a thing. as it stands now nothing outclasses the gear dropped from savage anyways. why would you ever need better weapons than the best? to be 10 levels overgeared on new content? when the relics catch up there will already be new raid tiers etc. but this whole thread reeks of people humble bragging when the point is everyone deserves content that may be enjoyable to do for them. you can criticise the choice of making relics on par or better than raid gear when it's end-end game but by then you can expect new content somewhere down the line. just hope that square doesnt make it some crappy rng drop from the diadem next time and maybe an exclusive tier of ultimate.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You can't mindlessly do Rabanastre that's utter bull. you can't "Mindlessly" do any current dungeon for that matter. You need some level of effort to get anywhere at max level it just is a matter of whether its a little effort or a lot.

I am getting real sick of your mentality, its really deragatory toward anyone who doesn't enjoy playing the same way as you.

... yes, you can. I pulled a three pack of mobs on Samurai with Hyomin and she barely needed to heal me. Likewise, due to how woefully undergeared the tank was, I ripped hate constantly and essentially tanked all three bosses; on a DPS. Going one better, if you don't collect the gold Yojimbo drops, he does a measly 15k aoe and nothing else. I want to play the version of FFXIV you have because mine has laughably easy dungeons I barely pay attention in unless I'm doing mega pulls. Those can be fun.

[Sylvina]

... yes, you can. I pulled a three pack of mobs on Samurai with Hyomin and she barely needed to heal me. Likewise, due to how woefully undergeared the tank was, I ripped hate constantly and essentially tanked all three bosses; on a DPS. Going one better, if you don't collect the gold Yojimbo drops, he does a measly 15k aoe and nothing else. I want to play the version of FFXIV you have because mine has laughably easy dungeons I barely pay attention in unless I'm doing mega pulls. Those can be fun.

Nothing you said implies you could simply roll your face on the keyboard to not die while you pulled. Stop hugely exaggerating when you think something is too easy and instead say something like "This isn't challenging enough for me, can I please get a hard mode for this where mobs hit like trucks on nitrous instead of just trucks"