How does SE justify these ten min enrages, but doesnt let anyone know their dps

[akaneakki]

In creator our WAR had a trigger that could call the Random patterns for A11s one second before visual cues. That's a whole extra second for position adjustments. Like.... How can you hold a high ground over something that's cheating so blatantly? .

I get what you are saying, however, many and I know very very many doesn't even use act triggers. I know a few just so they could optimize the dps, but then again, there are just a few who does. Is it really needed? No? If people want to use it, go ahead use it, doesn't bother me at all. A bad player could use this trigger and still be bad. It's how it's used not what it does.. It's not a magical thing to make you great, so stop acting like it does miracles.

It's a very different thing to have players paying attention to the fight and then calling out what's happening based on that and have an external program automate that process for you...

Like I quoted the other guy, I get what you both are saying, however, when I've helped people I call out shit as a MELEE!!!! before shit even happens way before and you know how tight it is for melees compare to let's say tanks or healers. And the most funny part is that those who even get called out their mechanics will still fail. If a player had these triggers and they could use them, so lets say they did.... now the thing calls it out, what happens? They can still fail, because even if they are told they still will fail. Just like many players wil stil fail to improve if a parser would happen, because in fact many doesn't want to improve, so a tool wouldn't even force them to do so. For those who want to improve it's a great tool. Again tho, why is this even a topic about triggers? Nobody asked for that shit, people asking for tools to help them improve.

And I disagree strongly againts who says ps4 players can be worse than pc players. I've seen many great ps4 players over pc players.. they just happened to have a friend or two in the group who parser them to let them know if they improved or not. But I would still love a parser for ps4. If it happens, just imagine all the bad players who told people are bad, but find out they are actually so bad themselves?

[eschaton]

A parse was never needed in this game, and never will be. Nothing posted will ever change that. Still, people are allowed to use their little extra tools, have 'fun' in their 'challenge' in the way they / their group wish(es) to have it. Shout out to ps4 users on discord so they can have the same timely head-starts as well, if they wish to have so. Just keep it out of the public domain.

And yes when we get to the nitty-gritty of end-game raiding and these tools, well it's better just to say it's a dark-grey area for a reason before people get upset.

This is why I still love switching off the pc and play and do well on our ps4 account, in groups without discord, even pugs; in a sense it's way more 'gaming closer to the source', as in, playing more as the producer meant the game to be played. By the way all content on ps4 is perfectly playable without a parse as well, it's all practice, and patience, and using your own brain. Each their own though, some people can't stand playing without all the extra's and online 'help'. So get a pc and act grey.

Oh and using extra tools to annoy players who don't should always be seen for what it is; proper harassment. Make no mistake about it.

[DPZ2]

For 95% of the content in the game you can place your face comfortably on the left side of your keyboard, roll it gently to the right and by the time you're all the way on the other side the fight is over.

I wish this sort of attitude would die a quick and dirty death. It isn't true, it has never been true, and it is serves as an excuse for toxic behavior.

Nothing personal, I just hate the 'faceroll' attitude of a number of posters on these forums.

[Deathgiver]

They\\'re not useless.

SNIP.

So much this. As a healer main I can look through a fight and see exactly where I'm over-healing instead of dpsing, plan my cooldowns, and check exact damage values different people are taking from specific aoes so I know which heals to use. This isn't something that's cheating, it's already possible to do it via recordings and the battle log. What parsers do is save me a s**t ton of time in analysing an encounter to improve.

[missybee]

I wish this sort of attitude would die a quick and dirty death. It isn't true, it has never been true, and it is serves as an excuse for toxic behavior.

I don't think it is meant to be taken literally...but it is true that a lot of the content in this game is very easy.

Hell, in 24 mans if you did have a person or two actually smashing their faces into the keyboard, you would actually probably still clear.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

In creator our WAR had a trigger that could call the Random patterns for A11s one second before visual cues. That's a whole extra second for position adjustments. Like.... How can you hold a high ground over something that's cheating so blatantly?

If my static had someone who could make call outs like that without a trigger, he or she would be a precog and have their own Lifetime movie network special.

But again, again so long as SE doesn't add an in game parser, It's something that the community has to deal with in order to keep having a second hand parser from PC players.

And? This isn't a PvP environment. If someone wants to use automated call outs for things like A11S, who cares? Believe me, that one second difference only benefits people who already know how to do the mechanics. Triggers are more often something people use afterwards just to ease the weekly grind.

I wish this sort of attitude would die a quick and dirty death. It isn't true, it has never been true, and it is serves as an excuse for toxic behavior.

Nothing personal, I just hate the 'faceroll' attitude of a number of posters on these forums.

You couldn't literally smash your face onto the keyboard, no. However, this game is incredibly easy for the most part, especially when played as intended. There's a reason tanks pull ten mobs at a time and everyone insists on healer DPS. If I did only three mobs at a time, I honestly wouldn't need a healer. Just bring a Red Mage and we're golden.

[Kaurhz]

Well, having a personal parse would be nice for those that want it, but that being said I think many players aren't quite ready to use such a utility.

Why? Well first, there's many players that are only ever going to use it as a tool of harassment or a means to be egotistical. Then there's the portion of players say they want it, but aren't actually quite inclined to use it as a means to improve, extracting meaningful information from a personal parse will be fairly difficult for a majority of people. I'll admit there's plenty that want to improve, but my point still stands that many people aren't ready for it.

Bit of an off topic, but seems to be recurring here; Casual content could do with being a little bit more difficult as players don't really have much an incentive, sure, you go into an extreme primal, and have a great risk of everyone treating the fight like it's a 1% piece of content. Some of the remarks I've heard, are fairly funny, but more importantly disgusting and fairly ignorant. Said people aren't going to improve by running older, or easier content 100x, there's only so far half of these fights will push a player.

So I guess the game is fairly easy in this regard, but otherwise it's not a fairly easy game in comparison to many others (subjective). Complain the game is too easy all you wish but many people are out of depth when swinging this difficulty around. What happened the last time they attempted to make fun and challenging content...? (Nerfed to the ground)

[Reynhart]

So ur telling me when u start to see 100k damage 80 k damage as opposed to where u started seeing that improvement means nothing

You have it completely backwards. So, you're doing 10k damage, then what ? Again, no parser will tell you why you did such low damage.

What the game already offers, however, is training dummies tailored to a specific ilvl. So, you go to the corresponding dummy, and you realize that you can't kill it. There, it tells you the same information that a parser does : You're not doing enough damage.

With that information, you look at guides, seek advice, and improve yourself, without ever needing an actual damage number. And when you go back to the dummy, you now realize that, first, you can kill it, and second, that you have a fair amount of time remaining. That sure means something, but again, you don't need a parser for that.

[Rawrz]

And? This isn't a PvP environment. If someone wants to use automated call outs for things like A11S, who cares? Believe me, that one second difference only benefits people who already know how to do the mechanics. Triggers are more often something people use afterwards just to ease the weekly ground.

So if I am a PC player and I bot every class to 70 or gather nodes on my btn/miner 24/7 while I work and sleep and watch TV, it would be no harm no foul?

That's essentially what you're saying.

I'm alright with triggers existing, and I would NEVER report someone for using one, but they are a form of cheating and to deny that is to lie to yourself. Giving yourself an advantage over someone playing the same game using third party -->automated<-- tools, is right there with the definition for botting.

If the devs catch on, who knows, next tier of savage could be made even more difficult using more random mechanics like a11s with shortened reaction time, to balance against the "best" players.

[Nuna]

So if I am a PC player and I bot every class to 70 or gather nodes on my btn/miner 24/7 while I work and sleep and watch TV, it would be no harm no foul?

That's essentially what you're saying.

No, that's not what they're saying at all. You shouldn't have to make extreme unrelated examples if you actually have a point.