How does SE justify these ten min enrages, but doesnt let anyone know their dps

[RichardButte]

DPS Meters are a plague any should never be allowed.

Much better for everyone to just blame the player playing the DPS class that's perceived to be the worst, right? Or get mad at the healers for not contributing enough extra DPS?

Whenever people assume players will need some form of hard data like a DPS meter to get mad and throw blame around, I wonder what planet they're from...

[akaneakki]

DPS Meters are a plague any should never be allowed.

So are leechers and special snow flakes begging for carries.

[Reynhart]

So are leechers and special snow flakes begging for carries.

Easy fix. Make killing the training dummy mandatory for entering the corresponding content.

It's not knowing if you're "good" or "bad," but if your performance is up to what you either 1. seem to think it is, or 2. what you would like it to be. This game doesn't provide any way of knowing either of those.

Yes, it does. It's, again, called training dummies. Instead of measuring numbers, people can measure how fast they kill it. What's best is that if you can kill it, whatever time remains, it means you do enough DPS, and you shouldn't care if people try to harass you into doing much more just because they have stupidly high standards.

[Verius_Nox]

Yes, it does. It's, again, called training dummies. Instead of measuring numbers, people can measure how fast they kill it. What's best is that if you can kill it, whatever time remains, it means you do enough DPS, and you shouldn't care if people try to harass you into doing much more just because they have stupidly high standards.

The flaw in that is that the real test of ones DPS abilities is being able to perform mechanics while also maintaining adequate DPS.

[Reynhart]

The flaw in that is that the real test of ones DPS abilities is being able to perform mechanics while also maintaining adequate DPS.

You mean you need a parser to see your buffs drop ? Of the amount of time you stay out of range from the boss ? Or how many times you died to a failed mechanic ?

[Miste]

You mean you need a parser to see your buffs drop ? Of the amount of time you stay out of range from the boss ? Or how many times you died to a failed mechanic ?

He's saying that each DPS job's rotation may change when mechanics and movement are involved and sometimes a parser can help you determine when it is better to use certain buffs etc.

DPS on a dummy is DPS on a dummy there are no mechanics or extra movement that you may have to alter your rotation around. Any DPS job against a striking dummy is just the exact rotation until it dies. This is really far from how it is in actual fights where you have to adjust to mechanics and movement.

Sometimes the fight movement or mechanics makes it so the optimal best rotation is not possible so you may have to alter a rotation to suit your needs...so you try two different ways in a fight to make the movement or mechanic part easier for you to maintain your DPS, great, but in the end how do you know which of the two ways is better?? It's impossible without comparing data.

I mean simply put it is nice to have something show with facts that you are getting better. It reaffirms that you are doing things correctly. You do a fight one way a couple of times and see the average and then maybe you think of a better way to handle the fight buff wise so you try something different and you have a way to see if that difference is better or not for you.

This is how it helps people who use them and this is how they use them.

[Verius_Nox]

You mean you need a parser to see your buffs drop ? Of the amount of time you stay out of range from the boss ? Or how many times you died to a failed mechanic ?

Eh?

I'm saying standing still beating on a dummy isn't always indicative of one's real performance. Just because the player is performing the mechanic, doesn't mean they're competently maintaining uptime, and besides hitting an enrage or failing a DPS check, you don't know if they're playing well or not, otherwise. Even when a DPS check is failed or enrage is hit, you don't always know which member is falling behind the most because there's no quantitative data.

[akaneakki]

Easy fix. Make killing the training dummy mandatory for entering the corresponding content.

Funny you say that. You keep saying that dummy strikes are the way to do things around here. But the thing is what you saying here is already a thing... Think about it, people can beat the actuall dummy before time runs out ands they think they are good to go, but yet when they do the actuall fight they are 50% low the dps they should be at. So no, not an easy fix, the ''fix'' you talk about here, already exist in game, just not mandetory to actually to enter a fight.

You mean you need a parser to see your buffs drop ? Of the amount of time you stay out of range from the boss ? Or how many times you died to a failed mechanic ?

Gonna ask you a question: Boss is at 3% it has about 200k hp left and you are sitting with either doing a dot skill or not. Which one do you do?
Second question: The add during a add phase in a boss dies in 10 seconds do you pop b4b or not?

[Reynhart]

First, it already happens, second SE already has a policy in place for harassment.

Yes, the same policy in place for votekick abuse...we all know how effective it is

If you flub a mechanic, if you're lucky, the only person whose dps is lowered is your own.

If you do a slightly better rotation than someone else, and have a much higher gear, even your lowered DPS can be higher than them.

Funny you say that. You keep saying that dummy strikes are the way to do things around here. But the thing is what you saying here is already a thing... Think about it, people can beat the actuall dummy before time runs out ands they think they are good to go, but yet when they do the actuall fight they are 50% low the dps they should be at.

Yes, because they're still learning the fight. Their issue is not DPS, it's knowledge. I had a leader like that, that constantly wiped our team because we lacked on DPS...while some of us only were on our first try.

Gonna ask you a question: Boss is at 3% it has about 200k hp left and you are sitting with either doing a dot skill or not. Which one do you do?

Technically, I don't care how many HP it has. I see the rate at which its health bar depletes, and, depending on how much those 3% last, I'll see how much tick my DoT will inflict.

Second question: The add during a add phase in a boss dies in 10 seconds do you pop b4b or not?

If I can't hit anything else during the remaining time on B4D after the add, no. Especially if the boss comes back with a powerful attack before being targetable again.

And many players are too lazy to improve or lack the ability to, but they keep playing anyway.

And rubbing their number right in their face won't change that.

[akaneakki]

And rubbing their number right in their face won't change that.

If the boss was about to die, the dot shouldn't even been applied since you do more dmg doing another cd with higher potency. But yeah get what youre saying.. Anyways, ''rubbing'' the ''numbers'' right on their face might not change it, but might change the view of why they get kicked from groups doign low.