I am not sure why people are still complaining after the patch. I was a bit concern just because I read all these posts about whm. But honestly, after I play it in 4.0. I love it more. I went on a roulette: 50/60 yesterday and the tank kept dc the entire time. So you know what. I healed a machinist and a blm without a tank in that dungeon and I also got to dps, we finished the dungeon as 3 man with no wipe. I took cleric stance over Largesse too. Healing, and dps as a whm is much easier than before. If anything the lillies make our lives easier, cure I has a 50% proc, and cure II is 100%. Those who said 20% (after the patch) either didn't play the game, or don't know how to read.

and you know what I spammed holy without thin air in lvl 60 dung. MP isn't even an issue, I played all the roulette yesterday without mp reaching below 50%.

I just want to say the new expansion is great even if I can't get my msq done. I hope they do fix the msq soon.