Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Actually just found out the tooltip is wrong it's 100% on aoe heals so it's more useful then a tank tetra now. So it's more of a free aoe heal to help manage our inf mp pool. Can we have a new skill that takes ALOT of mp to use that actually dose somthing? So much mp and nothing to spend it on now

My biggest concern is moving forward. They committed to the "pure healer" only to realize that maybe it wasn't a good idea after all since they have to put new regular/lesser heals, which we already have versions of, under a conditions list (you need x stacks and to be off xx cooldown). Essentially we are getting more of what we already have and don't need more of to fulfill Yoshi's vision. I welcome out new level 80 regen (which functions just like the regular regen) that eats all lilies and has a 2 minute cooldown.

Also "PVP - Divine Benison - Healing lily requirement has been removed.". That is ****ing hilarious, SE.

The problem with the WHM kit is the problem it's basically always had. The main "advantage" is HPS (and slightly higher personal DPS, but that's its own thing), which, given the finite nature of health pools, has a limit on its usefulness. Definitely true in this game, since their design philosophy states they want all comps to be viable. That's...fine I guess. There are many essay-length arguments over why more HPS is not really an identity (hey, here's a strength that not only content will never be designed to require, but by its very nature isn't necessarily made better by having more of it like attack or defense buffs). The problem is how much the kit pays for that advantage. Role action Eye for an Eye aside, the WHM native kit has ZERO targeted buffs. ZERO damage reduction. Not slightly less effective, ZERO. This is not the same give-and-take that the other two healers have. It's not a case of better at X at the cost of being a bit weaker at Y. AST and SCH can more or less do everything that a WHM can with varying effectiveness, like AOE regens and instant emergency heals. The same is not true in reverse. WHM has nothing like Sacred Soil. Nothing like a card. Nothing like Fey Covenant. Square is really averse to giving the kit something unique, which is frustrating. There seems to be this kid gloves treatment with WHM to make extra sure that the class isn't mandatory in group content or overpowered, and it's an approach that stifles the risky cool things they could do to the job. They seem totally fine with giving Astro and Scholar totally busted overpowered abilities and rolling them back later if they turn out too strong.

I'm glad for Scholars that they got the new Miasma 2. I'm shaking my head at the WHM kit, because it's yet another check off the list; hey remember when a high MP cost AOE burst was unique to WHM? Now all the healers have a version of Holy too! It's a slow, irritating erosion of what used to be unique to WHM, getting handed out to the other healers. I don't want Scholar shields or Astro cards. I'm not asking for Square to start copying their abilities and homogenizing them over to WHM as revenge. I want something cool that only I can do, not a slightly stronger (or in Aspected Benefic's case, weaker) version of something AST has a copy of, or SCH can do with an Aetherflow gate.

Oh and lilies are still passive, non-interactive, and provide a bonus that makes basically no sense on healing abilities. I suppose that's unique to WHM now that they realized CD reduction sucks in a highly scripted game and buffed it off the overpowered favorite healer.

Originally Posted by Ghishlain

Also, the fact that you believe that AST can heal almost as much as WHM shows that you haven't done a lot of theorycraft on potency. Just so you know, AST's total potential actually exceeds WHM's just on raw healing power - they just happen to be constrained by their GCD usage.

Again, I will also comment if you feel half the WHM and SCH kit is complete garbage, that shows a level of ignorance, inflexibility, and non-adaptability in your thought process.

Benediction, fluid,sleep are 100% garbage

*benediction might as well kill the person for me it sure as hell won't save them
*asylum was a meh skill at best but with new pi it's not going do anything
*fluid....ya moving on
*sleep skill (forgot what's its called)don't even have it on my hot bar

Not to mention visually whm is so god damn dull

Holy,aero,stone all have same animation

Originally Posted by simiii

Benediction, fluid,sleep are 100% garbage

*benediction might as well kill the person for me it sure as hell won't save them

Your inability to properly use a Job's toolkit is not a fault of the job itself.

Originally Posted by simiii

Benediction, fluid,sleep are 100% garbage


Holy,aero,stone all have same animation

You're obviously a crap healer if you don't know by now how to use bene correctly.

I love to use the "GTF" away from me move.

It's repose... you know, a move that is a LIFESAVER in POTD.

Green wind is the same as brown minecraft cubes are the same as blinding white "ahhh" sparkly flashes?

Please continue... I love it when people show me how stupid they are. Free entertainment at no cost.

Originally Posted by simiii

Benediction, fluid,sleep are 100% garbage

*benediction might as well kill the person for me it sure as hell won't save them
*asylum was a meh skill at best but with new pi it's not going do anything
*fluid....ya moving on
*sleep skill (forgot what's its called)don't even have it on my hot bar

Not to mention visually whm is so god damn dull

Holy,aero,stone all have same animation

While you're entitled to your opinion about actually aesthetics, you've also listed four abilities which you call "junk", two of which I disagree completely with your assessment. Even if those four were useless, the WHM kit has 21 abilities in it. 4/21 = 19% of the kit is useless (in your opinion). 19% is clearly not equal to 50% which is what represents half the kit. But then again I am talking to an individual who believes it's statistically possible to consistently pull 5-6 Expanded Balance for each 7 minute long EX primal fight.

Originally Posted by simiii

don't call me bad because someone can give you a box and you will think it's the best thing in the world.

And your right fluid a boss and tell me how far you push him. While your at try putting it to sleep to.
"It's ment for trash mobs" ya and holy dose a better job at it

Benediction is only good if you rez someone. They will be invulnerable while the heal takes its sweet time

This is going to make me sound like an elitest, facetious, and down right an asshole but here we go.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I present to you Exhibit... uh... probably G or something? This is how we see a person who understand very little about the White Mage kit, and probably how to play any healer in general.

I'd still like to see an uploaded log of around ten fights in a row where you're pulling 5-6 Expanded Balances every fight, BTW.

Originally Posted by simiii

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Not to mention visually whm is so god damn dull

Holy,aero,stone all have same animation

Are you for real? Since when? And holy is one of the spells I put up there as most visually appealing in the game.