Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by AlphaSonic

Haste, Reflect, Shell, Faith, Bravery, Dispel, Bubble even Berserk could be casted by WHM in older games.

Dispel would be interesting as a better ensuna. Far more MP for more available cleanses. Reflect a much stronger, one shot version of Eye for an Eye, Faith and Bravery single target buffs for Melee and Caster (Not as good as an enhanced balance or as raid efficient as an AoE balance, but still pretty good for pull aggro or for a caster in AoE), bubble I covered, and Berserk should just stay on the War. Lol

Originally Posted by CrazyCapnMorgan

Let me see if I can get this straight for myself, and maybe for other people, as far as what the Global Cooldown toolkit for WHM is:

Cure 1 & 2 - filler heals, GCD recovery from tank buster moves
Cure 3 - Situational heal, mainly for healing from primal ults
Regen, Medica 2 - main form of healing and group healing
Medica 1 - Situational group healing, mainly used for when groups are taking damage that Medica 2 and Assize cannot cover

As of this moment, that's all WHM really brings. If SCH gets group shields and AST gets group buffs, let WHM get group debuff management/mitigation. Something akin to Dispel, Astra and the like to give WHM a proper identity.

Pretty close.
Cure 1 = Delete this
Cure 2 = Tank Buster
Cure 3 = For when you would cast Medica 1 twice, you can usually just cast this once (1 more GCD of dps)
Regen = HP for tank while healer gets to dps
Medica 2 = HP for group while healer gets to dps
Medica 1 = AOE/Group Buster
Assize = DPS

Originally Posted by Kid-Tempest

I agree. A lot of people are suggesting dps utilities, but that's not whm thing, but meta aside the 4.0 whm got the worst improvements. Lily gauge needs to be built differently and used noticeably. Like adding effects to the skills that consumes the lily as well as the CD reduction.

Why is it not "WHM's thing", when WHM has traditionally had a plethora of party utility? Be they offensive (Haste, Bravery, Faith, En-spells), defensive (Reflect, Shell, Protect, Blink, Nul-spells), or general support (Libra, Reraise)?

Remember the Lost City HM last boss? I always thought that was where WHM's were going. Stance dancing to make healing spells do damage. Regen as a dot, cure III as aoe damage. Maybe even Cure IV as a proximity based aoe heal. Lovely..

Originally Posted by IttyBitty

Why is it not "WHM's thing", when WHM has traditionally had a plethora of party utility? Be they offensive (Haste, Bravery, Faith, En-spells), defensive (Reflect, Shell, Protect, Blink, Nul-spells), or general support (Libra, Reraise)?

Even the warrior of darkness WHM placed a buff on the Bard lol. Saying WHM shouldn't get any utility that aids in damage "just because" really isn't good enough.

I do agree that it would be a bit boring though. WHM should have something completely unique to themselves that works as utility.
For instance, when I think of the word "confessions", I think of relief, or opening yourself to someone. Healing yourself, to put it in line with gaming terms. It could be something like a regen that increases in potency based on how many you have. And plenary could not only heal, but refresh this stack when used.

You'd have utility that doesn't feel like a direct copy of balance, and it'll suit the "pure healer" style.

Originally Posted by IttyBitty

Why is it not "WHM's thing", when WHM has traditionally had a plethora of party utility? Be they offensive (Haste, Bravery, Faith, En-spells), defensive (Reflect, Shell, Protect, Blink, Nul-spells), or general support (Libra, Reraise)?

I do not think this not a fair comparison. White mages in classic final fantasy series are the only heal support character where in ffxiv they are not. Based on what we've seen I think the devs should have doubled down on abilities that damage and heal simultaneously. Would bring a unique healing experience to the 3 healers while allowing them to retain the oh hell time to burst some major heals.

In regards to Stoneskin, I think SE and all of us are missing a golden opportunity. Remeber how the big gripe for Paladins in HW was that they couldn't mitigate magic damage outside of their oGCD defensive buffs? Well, why not give WHM an answer to that....in the form of Shell?

Hold on, lemme do ya one better - how about giving the WHM an ability called Shellskin? To my way of thinking this would act much like SCHs Succor in cast and function, but instead of healing damage, give Shellskin the ability to increase magical resistances on those within range of the cast WHILE acting like Stoneskin in mitigating a certain percent of magic damage done. Physical damage would not react to Shellskin and, thus, give the WHM a form of unique utility.

Originally Posted by Feidam

I do not think this not a fair comparison. White mages in classic final fantasy series are the only heal support character where in ffxiv they are not. Based on what we've seen I think the devs should have doubled down on abilities that damage and heal simultaneously. Would bring a unique healing experience to the 3 healers while allowing them to retain the oh hell time to burst some major heals.

RDM was also there.

Honestly from the way WHM is currently being designed we feel more like those classic RDM. Weaker heals than the other healer but stronger attacks.

So...you want them to double down and make us able to do more damage? We really would be miscolored RDM at that point.

Originally Posted by Feidam

I do not think this not a fair comparison. White mages in classic final fantasy series are the only heal support character where in ffxiv they are not. Based on what we've seen I think the devs should have doubled down on abilities that damage and heal simultaneously. Would bring a unique healing experience to the 3 healers while allowing them to retain the oh hell time to burst some major heals.

A spell that heals a party member for--let's say--800 pot and deals damage to his target for 150 potency--or if you target the enemy, it deals damage of 300 potency and heals the enemy's target for 500 potency. On a 120s cooldown. Let's call it Retribution to stick with the religious-isms of WHM.

As epic as this sounds, it feels more SCH to me. But I do want this spell. Thank you very much.