Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

My two cents:

First off, I’d like the following changes done to WHM:

Divine Benison: Only expends ONE Lily, not ALL.

Medica, Medica II, and Cure III: Have a 20% chance upon the initial heal to grant a Confession Stack.

The first makes Benison more usable, the second makes Confession stacks actually a thing.

I see three possible solutions for WHM:

Option 1: Give WHM some sort of utility for the party!

Example #1) No weakness revive.

Why? Because this would make WHM more wanted for progression at least and definitely useful in 24 man content given the new way weakness works, if enough DPS are dead, the DPS checks will not be made with that level of crippling weakness.

Example #2) Hastaga

Why? Because this has been in the WHM tool kit in previous games and is considered White Magic.

Example #3) AOE Presence of Mind

Why? Because this also would give WHM some utility to the party, especially one with more caster DPS, but it could be expanded to increase skill-speed, etc as well.

Option 2: Make WHM able to solo heal 8 man content!

Why? Because if we’re really going to go down the rabbit hole of “Pure Healer,” then run long and hard with it!

> Increase the potency on all of WHM’s heals.
> Reduce the cds on oGCDs like Tetra to allow handling of double tank busters, etc.
> Make Divine Benison’s cd 15 seconds or less.
> Give them all the dang tools to make it so they can handle those heals so darn well that you don’t need an off healer, you can take a 5th DPS into Savage and Extreme content.

Option 3: Make WHM able to DPS so well compared to AST and SCH that they make up for the loss of utility!

> Increase the potency on WHM’s DPS skills.
> Make Stone IV and Aero III have chances to give Lilies.
> Give WHM an improved version of Cleric Stance that’s all its own.
> Make Confession stacks be obtainable from Assize.

Basically, make it so you’re not losing out on utility by bringing a WHM because you’ll have exceptional personal DPS added to the mix, making up for the lack of utility with raw damage output as an off healer.

Those are the three solutions I see to this. While WHM may be “viable” in all technicality, it doesn’t mean it’s a desired class in content outside of maybe 4 mans and PvP. It doesn’t look very fun to play currently though as it stands. *sigh*

Originally Posted by IndoX

Well I've lost faith. We're going into Stormblood with an improved Heavensward toolkit and can basically ignore lilies. It just sucks that our gimmick for this expansion is so lackluster.

I can't even begin to say how much this echoes how I feel. I've tried to take a positive outlook/interpretation every time SE says something and...

Sigh

Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

I don't understand why Divine Benison needs to consume any lilies. It's literally just a one-person shield that has nothing to do with the CD reduction they intended lilies to have in the first place.

So you occasionally don't forget lilies exist, and to punish you if you try to top someone up with Tetragrammaton before shielding them.

We were told "calm down" and our worst fears were proven true, whooopiiiiieeeeeeee (minus cure 3 remomved). Gutted of important skills we have to get back via role skills, robbed of our dependable mitigation at earlier levels (Stoneskin) for a lackluster, (time-)expensive (first you have to cure 2) one at high level, and the entire lily / confessions mechanic is one big pile of failure.

This is not fixed by tweaking some numbers like "oh but you get a lily from casting cure 2"

I will ignore the lily mechanic 90%+, except occasionally triggering Divine Benison right after casting a cure 2 -- otherwise the lily from it will get lost anyway next time I use my assize/tetra and the small CDR isn't even worth paying attention to. Whatever. Honestly, a swiftcast Stoneskin 2 before pulls or a quick Stoneskin 1 when needed had more value.

Otherwise? All I get in SB is losses left and right and in return I got Thin Air. Excuse me while I yawn. The only time any WHM worth their salt EVER runs out of MP is if they have to cast raises left and right, and that is something that should not happen with any semi-competent group. And I am one of those WHM that spam nuke combos left and right WHILE keeping everyone alive.

"WHM has it's niche in being most MP efficient" is no niche at all, because this was never a huge issue for any semi-decent white mage. Only beginners struggled with this, and the only new tool for this -- thin air -- you get when MP shouldn't be an issue anymore.

So essentially the devs dropped the ball on WHM and screwed up big time. All the more given now AST IS A BETTER HEALER AND IF THEY PLAY THEIR CARDS RIGHT (pun intended) JUST AS GOOD AT DPSING WHILE HAVING AWESOME UTILITY!!!

If that's what the devs think "balance tanks and healers before we introduce new jobs" looks like they need to re-evaluate what the term "balancing" means.

Don't get me wrong, i don't want AST nerfed, I just want WHM to be on par with SCH and AST and have shiny tools as well instead of getting robbed of what little we had.

So dear devs, you dropped the ball into the toilet and then you flushed. And don't tell me again "oh please first play to 70 and you will see how great this is". I can read these changes, mentally insert them into actual gaming situations just fine, and have played WHM long enough to know that this is unfun, underpowered and just a load of failure, thanks.

Just as every single time before: The community heard about upcoming BAD changes, said "this is bad", the devs did not respond or said "oh you will see this will be good"... and.it.was.not.good.at.all. It.Was.Bad.

Fixing this mess requires more than just tweaking a few numbers as it was with initial AST. The lily mechanic has to be re-designed form the ground up. And I think Stoneskin needs to be re-inserted at earlier levels. That is the absolute BARE MINIMUM, even while leaving the glaring elephant in the room that is "we lost 4 essential things to the 5 role skills we can have".

I am half in a mind to not even level WHM, the only reason why I will probably do this is because I have 4 hunting retainers I would need to re-level otherwise.

But after that I am definitely contemplating to refuse queuing as a healer AT ALL in protest to what was done to WHM, until this mess is fixed, REALLY fixed. And if not fixed by 4.1 or so, unsubbing. Because I am sick and tired of SE doing such a shoddy job at balancing jobs and roles, and adding insult to injury then time and time again by doing appeasement tactics or simply not responding at all to feedback from the community. We have seen this with PLD, with WAR, with BRD, and previously already with WHM as well. And almost every time it took them YEARS to fix the failures they produced. Only their "special child" AST was the exception there.

"We listen to the community"? Definitely not. I call that a good sales line by now, nothing more. Otherwise only listening to steep drops in a job being played at all.

Well done, SE. My eagerness to play Stormblood is now gone, beyond "I am curious about Othard and the continuation of the MSQ". And that is not enough to keep me as a customer after I am done with that. I love Eorzea, I love the beauty of this game, but by now I feel treated like shit, and why should I continue to pay money for that?

Originally Posted by Rivxkobe

AST changes are all good, except the "removal" of its MP refresh(small nerf), and it received nothing but buffs when it was already the strongest healer.

Playtesters in the media event confirmed lucid dreaming can still be extended by ASTs. So, for them, it's still an lolmp button.