This is just appalling

[Belhi]

The question is extra money goes into the game through a secondary revenue stream not sub based. Yet amount content seems to have lowered. More money should mean more staff should mean more content. Maybe not content I like, but more. Some of the new content extra PoTS and aquaoplis use some assets from already in the game.

The staff has gone up and it doesn't automatically mean more battle related content. Staff are specialised. Some are programmers working on code, some are 3d artists, some are UI designers. They are bottlenecked currently due to having trouble filling battle designer spots with experienced personnel. They have been hiring new staff for over a year. Without more battle designers they cant make more combat related content.

One issue is we have had some very resource intensive new content that has been a dud. Diadem being the biggest culprit.

[savageink]

I ment content in general not gear since I don't have a gear count. They designed 3 dungeons per patch and removed a whole dungeon in 3.0. Going forward we are going down to one every other patch. Not to mention 74 weeks from 2.0 to 2.5. 83 weeks from 3.0 to 3.5. That is 9 weeks difference and giving them the benefit of the doubt that the huge gap between 2.5 and 3.0 was a sign of future content loss.

Hope you don't play WoW. But seriously, FFXIV is still one of the most consistent games in existence. Whether you get 1 or 3 dungeons and whatever additional content...new games, Hildy stories, etc. You still get new content on a regular basis. This is nit picking. And I'm sorry, extended time between a patch and a new expansion? Seriously? You don't understand that? It's a little more involved.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The question is extra money goes into the game through a secondary revenue stream not sub based. Yet amount content seems to have lowered. More money should mean more staff should mean more content. Maybe not content I like, but more. Some of the new content extra PoTS and aquaoplis use some assets from already in the game.

Battle content creators have doubled, but it takes a lot of time to train them. Programming takes a lot longer to bring into the team in terms of style and cohesion. Its not like a retail job where 2 days and a person can do as good a job as someone else.

[SenorPatty]

Those are all great examples of things that bad f2p games do. But that's not the kind of game we're talking about, and it's not the kind of thing I'm getting at, so what you have is a nice collection of arguments against a point I'm not making. No real need for me to engage with them.

Then perhaps you could be clearer by what you mean about the cash shop damaging the game because so far, there's a lot of gasping at straws here about what's being added in the game as content and what isn't and how it somehow correlates strongly with the cash shop.

[mylam]

They are kinda cheating us when a 3 second emote is $7 and a shirt with matching pants is $18 with no extra exp boost or stats.

Haha granted I agree prices on these aesthetic items do seem expensive for me (in part because CAD/USD exchange rate is atrocious lol), but that's the point a lot of people are also trying to make in that it may be expensive to you, but that doesn't mean someone else won't buy. So how can that mean SE is taking advantage or cheating people?

If you ask me, the only way I think we could absolutely feel cheated is if they raise our sub fees and forced you to buy actual battle related content via the cash shop. Could you imagine the outrage?

But as it stands now, whether I have the new attire or not, my gameplay and everyone else's gameplay aren't affected.

End of the day though, I get that people have the right to provide feedback and agree on prices, but I just find it odd when the argument makes the company sound like it's out to scam people, when the choice is still in the hands of the user.

[Moonlite]

Hope you don't play WoW. But seriously, FFXIV is still one of the most consistent games in existence. Whether you get 1 or 3 dungeons and whatever additional content...new games, Hildy stories, etc. You still get new content on a regular basis. This is nit picking. And I'm sorry, extended time between a patch and a new expansion? Seriously? You don't understand that? It's a little more involved.

As you see the math I did not include the time between X.5 and X.0. I quit WoW in Lich King for other games. The launch content for BC and Lich king wree way ahead of what 14 will give on day 1 of expansion. So the 14 team spread it out more, woo. I aquit because I thought and still believe cross server partying is a bad idea for internet games.

Battle content creators have doubled, but it takes a lot of time to train them. Programming takes a lot longer to bring into the team in terms of style and cohesion. Its not like a retail job where 2 days and a person can do as good a job as someone else.

We are not talking weeks or months. Years multiple years, we aren't talking 3.1 or 3.3 even. They could have taken people out of University and trained them over the course of two plus years. Maybe all the defenders will need to send the dev team another gift.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

We are not talking weeks or months. Years multiple years, we aren't talking 3.1 or 3.3 even. They could have taken people out of University and trained them over the course of two plus years. Maybe all the defenders will need to send the dev team another gift.

You don't "take people out of university and train them" lol.

They are looking for a specific skillset. The battle content team has doubled since 3.0 DOUBLED. apparently you didn't understand that.

[SenorPatty]

End of the day though, I get that people have the right to provide feedback and agree on prices, but I just find it odd when the argument makes the company sound like it's out to scam people, when the choice is still in the hands of the user.

That's my exact opinion. There are no hidden fees, no hidden clause tucked in page 500 of your ToA. The price is listed point blank. It's a more hefty with less than usual amount of clothing but there's no in-game environment nor real life one to coerce one into buying it. Furthermore, being ripped off would imply that you were given an item at displayed price, only to be charged a whole different amount. That's an actual scam.

I guess all I'm saying is let us be logically outraged and not pitchfork mob dementia outraged.

[Lycieus]

It really isn't. SE give sub payers what they pay for. Sub payers aren't paying for the development of Cash shop items. Now if what we got in Patch cycles was falling short but the Cash shop was thriving then there would be a problem.

DLC are only a ripe off if the original product is not value for money.

Where do you suppose the finances and resources necessary to create a cash shop came from in the first place? The artists and developers creating these items and the systems to support them had to be members of the XIV team or had to be trained to work with existing systems. This cost time and money that could have otherwise gone into producing an equivalent number of items in the game.

[savageink]

As you see the math I did not include the time between X.5 and X.0. I quit WoW in Lich King for other games. The launch content for BC and Lich king wree way ahead of what 14 will give on day 1 of expansion. So the 14 team spread it out more, woo. I aquit because I thought and still believe cross server partying is a bad idea for internet games.

That is 9 weeks difference and giving them the benefit of the doubt that the huge gap between 2.5 and 3.0 was a sign of future content loss.

No, you 'gave them the benefit of the doubt' and mentioned it in the context of 'sign of future content loss'. Doesn't sound like a doubt on your part. And 9 weeks different throughout an entire product cycle is nothing. You should look at the time between WoW patches and expansions.