This is just appalling

[silverlunarfox]

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I dont know, everyone i know thinks its great and that includes quite a few WoW players. (It's what I couldnt stand about WoW personally) It's incredibly awesome for people who want a main character and maybe dabble with a few alts for the desired race/class combos but still have one dedicated character.

Then again I may also know quite a few fantasia addicts..... (myself included)

So just because you don't think its great, doesnt mean everyone feels that way. so your "aka a lot of players" isnt taking into context how they actually play the games themselves. some may have a main and a few alts, some may have just a main, some may have many alts. depends on how to use their time.

None of it is wrong, none of it is right. It simply is how people interact with the game in a million ways....

Its not awful. Its just a game. so enjoy it! or don't and play something else...no one is holding you hostage (that i know of >.>)

[dlgc]

First off, SE is a business, and obviously it is in this industry to make a profit, and in this day and age, almost no one will reject the idea of making a bigger profit as opposed to a smaller one, when given the chance to do so. It is covfefe to think otherwise.

Secondly, there are underlying costs, from create these "optional" items to eventually putting them on sale in Mogstation. I am more inclined to believe that SE has someone looked over the pricing model, and came up with a range that most players are comfortable with. Ofc, if the demand is no longer there, they will just cease making these items altogether, simple as that.

[Alleo]

First off, SE is a business, and obviously it is in this industry to make a profit, and in this day and age, almost no one will reject the idea of making a bigger profit as opposed to a smaller one, when given the chance to do so. It is covfefe to think otherwise.

I love this "SE is a business" argument. Just because you are a business does not make it right to sell everything for whatever price you want. And I do believe that people would be way more happier if those things would have been ingame or less expensive. Nobody on the witcher forum cried out that they should have paid for the free DLC, no they were happy to have a game company that does not see their customers as cash cows. Just because a lot of companies do this and people buy this does not mean that they are happy with that.

Also SE can come out and tell us anything..saying thinks like cash shop financing FF14 (yet somehow we get less content in SB than HW which is already less than ARR) or that it would not exist if it was not for it, but this does not make it true. Its not like they would ever come out and say that they could have put this into the game but did not do it because they saw a way to make money.

And about WoW. Maybe we should start comparing how many items they have and how many FF14 has. I am quite sure that FF14 will win. I also read that there was quite the backlash to some of the cash shop items in WoW and that the devs reacted to that and did not release something like that again. And in lots of MMOs with a cash shop (heck even in WoW) you have the way to earn the currency ingame, so you dont even need real life money to buy those. So even if other MMOs do that too, a lot of them have a way to earn it through playing the game. But nothing like that is available here.

The only thing we as a customer can do is post our opinion about that. If you are (still) fine with that, its alright, but we also have the right to post that we dont like it, without having to read that we are all children, have no money and other things..I am quite sure that most of us know that the cash shop will stay and I know that even with all the posts they did not change their way. But I will not lay down and say nothing at all, because in the end I can at least tell myself that I tried to change something even if it bears no fruits.

(And just to make sure: I also purchased things from the cash shop, I own one paid retainer, I am not someone that wants the cash shop to burn or hate people that buy from it. Heck I can understand that you will buy it even if its overpriced, simply because there is no other way to get it. But I still find the recent expansions of the cash shop really worrisome, especially the price.)

[dlgc]

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A business can indeed charge whatever they want for their products, is it within their right to do so? Of course it is! Should they do it from a moral standpoint? No they shouldn't. However, tell me a business that will refuse bigger profit margins when the chance is there for them to do so.

If we present an enquiry, and someone from SE comes out and gives us an explanation, that will become the default "truth" unless we can prove otherwise. That's how our judicial system work as well.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I love this "SE is a business" argument. Just because you are a business does not make it right to sell everything for whatever price you want. And I do believe that people would be way more happier if those things would have been ingame or less expensive.

Well, duh.

I don't mean to sound rude, but of course people would prefer it being in-game or less expensive. That doesn't benefit Square Enix though. They aren't setting these prices on the fly, but likely using market research to determine what garners the highest profit. Would it be nice if outfits were reduced to $5? Absolutely. However... SE now needs to sell four times the amount just to accumulate the same profit they have now. Hence why they don't.

And about WoW. Maybe we should start comparing how many items they have and how many FF14 has. I am quite sure that FF14 will win.

Only because a large portion of FFXIV's Cash Shop consists of old event items no longer obtainable. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in WoW, event items are a one time deal. Either you get them or they're gone.

It's baffling how even F2P MMOs don't go that crazy high with their cash shop items,

Blade & Soul outfits sell for $15
Black Desert sales their outfits for a whopping $41; slightly cheaper if you only purchase piecs ($29, I believe)

Keep in mind, both games have several times the amount of outfits on their respective cash shops. FFXIV has only three that were never intended for release outside Korea and China. Are they overpriced? I feel so. But let's not compare them to F2P games.

[Ayerinn]

its a MMO all games do this look at WoW they charged what was it $20? $25? for pets/mount and no matter how much people complain a lot still went out and got them so SE figure it can do the same hence the $24 mount and the $30 2 seater mount and then $18 outfits.

You can't compare it to WoW *at all*. Blizzard has a mere fraction of the number of items SE has added to the store. Old event items and ALL "glamour items," with the lowly exception of 3 helm items - yeah, ALL can be EARNED in game. Want extra storage? Yep, you just craft new bags in game, not shell out $2/month per extra storage retainer.

Oh, I forgot to mention one more tiny thing - you can now effectively buy ALL items from the cash shop with IN GAME GOLD? Yeah - don't use WoW/Blizzard as a comparison because it makes SE look TERRIBLE.

[Driavna]

Well, allowing everyone to be everything is not the best thing for an MMO to be honest, also, it gives Devs way less pressure to fix unbalanced classes because you can level and play another one.

[silverlunarfox]

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technically you could still do that even with a one class per character restriction. and they are always under pressure to fix and balance. Theyve done it quite often throughout 3.0 and I expect 4.0 will be no different, for better or for worse for some classes...(poor whm) I've played multiple MMO's, this one is the best for me with limited time, since I can focus on one character and one only. And thats cool! We had once FC mate with 10 different alts because he didnt realize he could level more than one on the same character, and he actually got better when he realized he could just focus on one. so to each their own, but it in no way is as detrimental to an MMO as people make it out to be. It's simply a different way of playing. and that is OK. This thread is giving me a headache.....I'm out...

[dlgc]

Lastly, if players want something bad enough, they will make it work. For example, if I like the latest glamour (which I don't) enough, I will just stop going to my favourite coffee shop for a month to get it(I spend about 20 bucks a month there), simple as that. The "value" of an item is subjective and varies from one person to the other.

Cheers,
D.

[Gamer3427]

I actually considered buying the new outfit, just because I was in the mood to spend a little extra on a game I enjoy so much, but then I saw the price and I was instantly turned away. It's baffling how even F2P MMOs don't go that crazy high with their cash shop items, yet a subscription based MMO like XIV that has plenty of income, (enough that they are striking all the deals in the world to advertise for SB), is charging such outrageous prices. Though, to be fair, I suppose a large portion of their profits are from people paying those prices.....

I've known more than a few people who have disposable incomes and are willing to pick up everything they find on a whim, and that's the very reason those of us who don't have cash to toss around aren't going to see more reasonable situations on that sort of thing. It honestly wouldn't bother me as much though if they were sticking with the "most stuff is in an event first, then goes to the cash shop" mentality that they have had in the past, but we're seeing more and more released directly to the Mogstation.....