Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[jovination]

Just to clarify what we mean by regen being more efficient:

Cure is 400 potency at a cost of 442MP. 1 gcd. So that's 0.948 potency per mp
Regen, all in, is 1050 potency at a cost of 619MP on 1gcd. Overall 1.696 potency per mp.

That's not far off twice as efficient.

For regen to match the efficieny of Cure it would have to be reapplied after 4 ticks rather than the full 7.

Factors are involved, how efficiently can you maintain that potency?

My math had to get cut out due to 1000 character limits (though its simple to do yourself with a striking dummy to emulate combat mana regen). My main point is that when I play "optimally" (Regen > Cure) I have mana issues, when I use Regen more or less as a quick cast-and-forget and just focus on using Cure, I don't (even with moderate DPS). Updates to WHM seem to reward that style. Also the whole mp regen point is just because I see that being the primary point of avoiding Cure / Cure II.

[Cynfael]

Factors are involved, how efficiently can you maintain that potency?

My math had to get cut out due to 1000 character limits (though its simple to do yourself with a striking dummy to emulate combat mana regen). My main point is that when I play "optimally" (Regen > Cure) I have mana issues, when I use Regen more or less as a quick cast-and-forget and just focus on using Cure, I don't (even with moderate DPS). Updates to WHM seem to reward that style. Also the whole mp regen point is just because I see that being the primary point of avoiding Cure / Cure II.

I would suggest that it varies somewhat by situation. Suitable application of Regen is undeniably more efficient than Cure casting, but we also have times when a Regen will cause prolonged overheal or otherwise be undesirable. We also can't forget to mention abilities like Asylum and Tetra used in lieu of a Cure to enhance MP efficiency and cut GCDs.

It's easy to construe from the conversations around here that everyone hates Cure spells and that no self-respecting WHM ever uses them, but of course that would be an exaggeration. It's just that the frequency of Cure/Cure II casting suddenly became an important point of discussion when Lilies and Confession stacks were announced to be tied to these two spells alone. Lilies not seeming to give a great benefit also compounds the issue.

[Metsonm]

Factors are involved, how efficiently can you maintain that potency?

Pretty easily? I just don't refresh it until after 12 seconds have passed, ideally not until it's about to fall off or has fallen off. You have to actually try and lower the potency of regen.

My math had to get cut out due to 1000 character limits (though its simple to do yourself with a striking dummy to emulate combat mana regen). My main point is that when I play "optimally" (Regen > Cure) I have mana issues, when I use Regen more or less as a quick cast-and-forget and just focus on using Cure, I don't (even with moderate DPS). Updates to WHM seem to reward that style. Also the whole mp regen point is just because I see that being the primary point of avoiding Cure / Cure II.

The idea of the regen use over Cure to save MP despite costing more is that it heals for almost twice as much p/MP. Even looking at raw potencies that's 2.6x stronger. So you're casting Cure twice to get the same benefit as Regen, resulting in not only more MP spent to heal the tank for the same (being generous, it's actually half a Cure cast less) amount as regen, but also more GCDs spent on healing for the same amount.

Unless the target needs that health NOW OMG HE'S GONNA DIE then regen is stronger, cheaper and frees up another GCD that can be spent on something else.

Though I'm very interested to see your maths because I'm curious how you came to these conclusions. You can make a post and edit it afterwards to work around the 1000 character limit.

[Mahkii]

The idea of the regen use over Cure to save MP despite costing more is that it heals for almost twice as much p/MP. Even looking at raw potencies that's 2.6x stronger. So you're casting Cure twice to get the same benefit as Regen, resulting in not only more MP spent to heal the tank for the same (being generous, it's actually half a Cure cast less) amount as regen, but also more GCDs spent on healing for the same amount.

Unless the target needs that health NOW OMG HE'S GONNA DIE then regen is stronger, cheaper and frees up another GCD that can be spent on something else.

Though I'm very interested to see your maths because I'm curious how you came to these conclusions. You can make a post and edit it afterwards to work around the 1000 character limit.

I use regen so that I can keep casting Stone 3. Every time I have to use a Cure 1 or 2 means I lost a Stone 3.