Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

**Exiled_Tonberry** · 06-06-2017 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

So, why not Nerf Regen potency and M2, while buffing cure and Cure 2? HoT effects are overly powerful in this game.

Why would you ever NERF the healing potencies of a job who can do nothing but heal? That is beyond unreasonable.
If anything, WHM cure and regens should be through the roof in potencies.

**rainblack** · 06-06-2017 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

Why would you ever NERF the healing potencies of a job who can do nothing but heal? That is beyond unreasonable.
If anything, WHM cure and regens should be through the roof in potencies.

Unfortunately, you'd have to remove regens altogether and weaken cure1/2 considerably to even get close to the amount of casts the 20%/100% proc rate would require without severe inefficient overhealing.

**justaminuet** · 06-06-2017 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

So, why not Nerf Regen potency and M2, while buffing cure and Cure 2? HoT effects are overly powerful in this game.

Suggesting to nerf spells on a job that has been so nerfed, that we now have a forum thread that's almost 2,000+ posts long complaining about its state? Not a good idea.

Not to mention, White Mage is supposed to be the "pure healer," according to Yoshi-P. Nerfing healing spells on such a job is counterintuitive.

**javid** · 06-06-2017 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by justaminuet

Suggesting to nerf spells on a job that has been so nerfed, that we now have a forum thread that's almost 2,000+ posts long complaining about its state? Not a good idea.

Not to mention, White Mage is supposed to be the "pure healer," according to Yoshi-P. Nerfing healing spells on such a job is counterintuitive.

People are exaggerating the nerf.....
If you're the kind of WHM that MUST have all your skills that you currently have now then you'll reach into the cross class system and get them all bk
Which means the only things that would be considered a "nerf" is your lost of E4E, new cleric stance*(which is already meh...at least it's something), and the 10% nerf on "Divine heal" with an additonal 30 sec recast, and the lost of stoneskin. And cross-class blm ability Surecast.

your current cross class abilities now as whm are what? Virus, E4E, Surecast, Swift Cast, and bliz 2*??

to keep in the future all that your core abilities you have now you'd replace e4e with esuna, surecast with protect, virus(which u can't use anymore) with largesse, still have Swiftcast, and whatever your 5 was with Lucid Dreaming. Something that You dont need to do at all if we're being technical. Both healers dont need protect both healers dont need esuna. In dungeons often you dont need esuna. Also in dungeon you can make it out just fine without largesse! (healing isn't that serious in dung).

**Seraphyna** · 06-06-2017 05:18 AM

Both healers dont need protect both healers dont need esuna. In dungeons often you dont need esuna. Also in dungeon you can make it out just fine without largesse!

People always assume two healers. With one healer, Whm's are back to their core abilities they lost.

And besides that, who wants to be switching in and out skills? I don't. Muscle memory. Switching in and out skills... pft... There goes hitting everything wrong.

**Mahkii** · 06-06-2017 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by Seraphyna

People always assume two healers. With one healer, Whm's are back to their core abilities they lost.

And besides that, who wants to be switching in and out skills? I don't. Muscle memory. Switching in and out skills... pft... There goes hitting everything wrong.

I would like the ability to create a cross-role skill set macro. Like, you press the macro and it quickly swaps all your cross role abilities to a new set.

**Mahkii** · 06-06-2017 04:50 AM

Nobody has commented on it yet, so I'm just going to put this out there. Every time I read the term "pure healer," I read it as: healer who has nothing to offer outside the basic functionality of all healer jobs.
Nobody in FFXIV wants a pure healer.

**Dirashi** · 06-06-2017 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by Mahkii

Nobody has commented on it yet, so I'm just going to put this out there. Every time I read the term "pure healer," I read it as: healer who has nothing to offer outside the basic functionality of all healer jobs.
Nobody in FFXIV wants a pure healer.

The ONLY way I'd want a PURE HEALER is if the healer provides so much healing that it would be able to primarily do damage and its damage dealt would be scaled really high. Another would be if the job's heals also did damage to the boss and other enemies as well (AOE). Both could make the job OP if done incorrectly.

i.e

Pure White - Lvl 70 Skill 90s cd

Grants healing over time effect to all allies within a 30y radius.

Cure Potency: 150
Duration: 21s

Effect also deals damage with a potency of 15-20 per tick/per ally affected by it to target and all enemies nearby it.

Basically, it would be a regen on everyone in the party, and every time the regen heals someone it does about 15-20 potency damage per tick thats AOE damage. So essentially it'll passively do around 120-160 damage potency per tick which equates to 840-1,120 damage potency over the duration of the effect. This added on top of the stone/assize you're currently throwing out. This is something I literally thought of like 40 seconds ago and would make WHM damage potentially so high, that it wouldn't be too far off behind the 20%/10% spread balance from AST in regards to outgoing damage. It could be scaled in a way that it will still make whm inferior raid dps wise and not be meta, however it will still be able to stand its own and "defend" its place in the raiding community - unlike right now. It will also be able to heal so much that it can do tons of damage. Its utility can be similar to SAM, which means just high damage versus buffing. If something like this were to happen, aggro generation would be huge so to combat this I think giving assize a "shadewalker" effect would be good. That way every 60s when you use the skill it would transfer all aggro generated by you to the #1 person on the enmity list. You'd have both Lucid and Assize to reduce aggro generation. I also am of the belief that Assize should be buffed to combat Earthly Star's potency. Instead of a 300 potency heal 300 potency damage it should be 400-500 potency healing and 400-500 potency damage. This would only be to match Earthly Star's current max-potency of 900 healing/200 aoe damage.

Other than something similar to this I wouldn't want a pure healer in this game.

**javid** · 06-06-2017 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by Mahkii

Nobody has commented on it yet, so I'm just going to put this out there. Every time I read the term "pure healer," I read it as: healer who has nothing to offer outside the basic functionality of all healer jobs.
Nobody in FFXIV wants a pure healer.

Every time I see this comment I assume we forget WHM is designed to have a simple play-style, low skill ceiling, and able to complete all content. You start adding more complexity to that and you change the identity of the class drastically (arguably these lily/confession systems can potentially cause just that unwanted complexity that is in opposition to WHM identity?!)

**Mahkii** · 06-06-2017 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by javid

Every time I see this comment I assume we forget WHM is designed to have a simple play-style, low skill ceiling, and able to complete all content. You start adding more complexity to that and you change the identity of the class drastically (arguably these lily/confession systems can potentially cause just that unwanted complexity that is in opposition to WHM identity?!)

Woah now, I'm just one person wishing WHM stood a fair chance in the raid game. Why does one job have to be singled out to be for new players only and not for serious gameplay?

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