Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[javid]

You say "what's stopping people just spreading Regen around on players not needing it?" as if people can't just sit casting Cure on players that don't need it.

They can very much be on regen. Maybe on application or fall-off, but there's no inherent difference between Cure and Regen for this purpose.

I'll be nice...

how many cures can you cast in 30 secs??? Let's assume a 2.0 GCD; in 30 sec you can cast 15 cures!! THATS a ton!!

ok............

how many ticks from HoTs can you cast in 30 secs on a 8 man party?? lets assume a 2.0 GCD: one medica II +11 regens; for total tick count within the 30 sec of.... 133 F#$KING TICKS

....NOW......which of the two looks more abusive? 15 attempts at getting a lily/confession in 30sec? or 133 attempts at getting a lily/confession in 30sec? ALSO... which of the two actually casted MORE GCDS?? 15 CURES GCDs? OR 12 GCDs on regen and medica combined???

DUDE ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE......not even......close......

[Royardee]

I decided I would copy paste something I typed out on reddit. It seems like a good time to do so.

This is the origin of all the healer cross class skills:
WHM- 3 (Cleric Stance*, Protect*,Divine Seal/Largesse*)
AST/WHM- 1 (Shroud/Luminous Aether/Lucid Dreaming*)
SCH- 1 (Eye for an Eye*)
Other/new- 4 (Break, Swiftcast*, Surecast*, Rescue)
All- 1 (Esuna*)

*Required for current WHM functionality.

I should point out, that my other 3 personal (midcore-ish) cross class skills were Virus, Blizzard 2 , and Surecast. However, I never used any of these, nor did I have them on my hotbar. Please don't scold me for not using Virus. I know I'm bad. ;~;

[Royardee]

From this we can see that WHMs lose 1-2 (Esuna isn't used in all instances, and only 1 healer needs Protect. Although, it can be argued that Break is like Stone 1, but we're losing all lower leveled stones too. I'm not sure where I'm going with this.) usable actions because of the roll skill system. Not only that, but we don't get to try out Rescue or the new Surecast without giving up something that was part of our toolkit.

[Royardee]

I would also like to point out that Largesse, the new Divine Seal, is worse for WHMs. Divine seal is a 30% buff for 15 seconds. Largesse is a 20% buff for 20 seconds. Not only does Divine Seal have an overall better potency (assuming 6 gcds for Divine Seal, and 8 gcds for Largesse), but Largesse has a 30 second longer cooldown (unaffected by the lilies too!). WHMs do not need a Divine Seal for a longer duration. My personal main function of Divine Seal is to buff Medica 2 and Regen for the tank(s). I don't even need the full 15 seconds to do this. In a continuous HoT situation the idea was that every other Medica 2 and every third Regen would be buffed.

(Note: Since I made this post originally, it was pointed out that Largesse works on oGCD spells like Tetra and Assize. But I still think Divine Seal is better mostly because of the 60 second cooldown.)

[Royardee]

Next, I calculated how many skills each healer has as of 4.0. I used this as my source.
SCH
12 base skills (excluding Summon 1 and 2)
13 job skills
3 pet skills
25 condensed skills (including Dissipation which everyone sees as pointless)

AST
28 job skills
25 condensed skills

WHM
12 base skills
13 job skills
21 condensed skills (including Repose, which is useless outside pvp)

[Royardee]

For the total condensed skills, I simply removed skills that were replaced with a better one (Stone to Stone 2, etc). AST and SCH both lose 3 skills this way while WHM loses 4. This isn't a bad thing. The problem here is the expanding discrepancy in complexity between the healers. WHM was always the less complex healer, which is fine, but we're losing usable skills to this update. Skill bloat has been an issue in FFXIV, but WHM was not one of the classes that needed to be fixed. For example, I currently have 27 skills on my hotbar (better WHMs probably use more of their cross class skills, plus Stone 1 or something); when 4.0 hits, the maximum usable skills I'll have on my hotbar is 25 (not including Repose). I'm not even super super salty about the lilies or Plenary Indulgence right now because there's legitimate hope that those can be reworked or updated (maybe even before 4.0).

[Royardee]

How I think we can fix it:
Give WHM Divine Seal back, and replace Largesse: My suggestion? Something from AST like Disable or Lightspeed (No, I don't think it's too similar to Presence of Mind). I'm also completely open to something new.
AoE Esuna (Esunaga?): Esunaga sounds dope. Yes, Selene has this ability already. I actually think it would be okay to copy paste it too. But because Selene is the inferior fairy, Fey Caress sees limited usage. WHM will see more use of it, and it fits into that "pure healer" archetype better.
Reraise: Cast time: 1.5 sec. Recast time: 5 min. Mana usage: at least as much as Raise. Places a 60 sec buff on the target. If the target dies within the 60 second buff, they are immediately revived to a weakened state. If any healer gets Reraise it should be the "pure healer", right?

[javid]

Next, I calculated how many skills each healer has as of 4.0. I used this as my source.
SCH
12 base skills (excluding Summon 1 and 2)
13 job skills
3 pet skills
25 condensed skills (including Dissipation which everyone sees as pointless)

AST
28 job skills
25 condensed skills

WHM
12 base skills
13 job skills
21 condensed skills (including Repose, which is useless outside pvp)

you can combine all these separate post by first posting 1k or less; then clicking edit and pasting the rest of what you had to say. Also since there is a limit to how many times you can post in a day, if you like to have long conversations with ppl you just killed 4 potential responses :P

[Risvertasashi]

Post 1 of 5 (wow the character limit is bad)

Bit late now but for future reference, you can edit your post to bypass the limit (which is why so many posts start with one line or "edit incoming" or similar...)

[Metsonm]

I'll be nice...

how many cures can you cast in 30 secs??? Let's assume a 2.0 GCD; in 30 sec you can cast 15 cures!! THATS a ton!!

ok............

how many ticks from HoTs can you cast in 30 secs on a 8 man party?? lets assume a 2.0 GCD: one medica II +11 regens; for total tick count within the 30 sec of.... 133 F#$KING TICKS

....NOW......which of the two looks more abusive? 15 attempts at getting a lily/confession in 30sec? or 133 attempts at getting a lily/confession in 30sec? ALSO... which of the two actually casted MORE GCDS?? 15 CURES GCDs? OR 12 GCDs on regen and medica combined???

DUDE ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE......not even......close......

Then don't do them off ticks? Do it on application, like Cure. I literally gave that suggestion.