Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

To be fair, Earthly Star discussion shouldn't even be about the timing. You can just drop and instantly explode it for a 675 AoE heal that is already stronger than Assize, Indom and even Cure III. The 900 potency after 10s is fine.

I also would like to adress the lack of abilities that low level players will have. After 4.0
The abilities for lvl 6, 8, 15, 34, 38
Trait lvl 36
Job lvl 40
You also take away fluid aura which is 150 potency at level 15 and add nothing else of value.
The lvl 8 to 40 gap needs to be relooked at. Especially for dungeons like Qarn, Cutters cry, Brayfox when it comes to new players. How is this not being addressed..
There is issues with low and high level White Mage. I outright think the levels and kit needs to be relooked at not only for level 70s but for new players as well who are just starting out.

Can you only proc lilies when you restore health? That means Tank has to remove and re-equip gear every pre-pull so you can proc lilies+confessions. And then they have to pull and take enough damage within 30 seconds to warrant use of confessions unless you refresh them.
Also the barrier doesn't wear off after a certain amount of time? Enjoy putting single barriers on every party member pre-pull every pull. (60 second CD)
Hmm if only there was a skill which put the barrier on every player at once...

Please tell me I'm mistaken here please tell me the barrier drops off after a amount of time so things sort of make sense.
What the hell were the devs smoking?

SE - My 2 cents
The core problem is you essentially two healing jobs; healer and shielder. With Astro, you released a job that is a jack of all trades, but master of none and it should have stayed that way. Jobs need to stay true to what makes them unique from a healing and shielding perspective.

The big elephant in the room is DPS.

Current raids aren't really healing intensive, especially as people get geared and because you have gated weapons behind weekly tome lockouts. A player cannot roll one job for early progression and then switch later. With healing only a problem for week 1 -2. This creates raid meta that healing should be minimized in lieu of DPS and people are stuck in their roles.

Prior to AST. The general relationship between WHM and SCH was such; WHM is the better healer with lower DPS. SCH is the better Shielder with higher DPS.
With the introduction of AST. You have a job that could heal or shield, not as well as its pure counterparts. The clear distinction was its DPS contribution by buffing party DPS.

Now you have two DPS (Raid Utility) healers with different styles. AST = Party, SCH = Individual.

At 3.0 release, we can all agree that initially, AST did need a little buff, but the biggest problem between the 3 jobs were two things:

1. SCH’s did not adjust playing with a Diurnal AST – SCH’s would just DPS like they had a WHM and the AST could not keep up. So rather than lowering their DPS, and healing more. They just did not take them. That they raid needed to understand was TOTAL healer DPS contribution should need to be the same. If you bring two DPS (utility contributors) There must be a tradeoff. SCH should have to heal more and DPS less, but the total DPS contribution is the same due to AST party DPS buff. This really didn’t materialize.
2. WHM had no Shield to help a Noct AST – Simple, there just was not enough shielding to compensate for big damage.

To combat these two issues SE should have done two things

1. Educate the player base on the need for SCH’s to adjust their playing styles to AST and how total DPS contribution works out.
2. Give WHM a minor shield that stacks with AST to compensate for big damage.

What SE did in 3.0 was to overbuff AST so it was equal to a WHM, but higher DPS contribution. Leaving SCH to DPS like they have a WHM. Thus killing the job in raid meta that focuses on DPS. In 4.0, it is arguable that AST is better than both pure roles for healing and shielding. Which is absurd.

How I think the roles should play

WHM/AST:
WHM main heals. Does individual DPS. Supports AST with a shield for big damage with stacking shield.
AST support heals. Shields as needed. Does higer individual DPS and Party DPS buff.

AST/SCH
AST main heals, but less individual DPS due to busy main healing. Buffs party DPS.
SCH higher heal support. Less individual DPS. High shields.

WHM/SCH
WHM main heals. Does individual DPS. WHM shield does not stack with SCH shield.
SCH support heals. Higher individual DPS. High shields.

What needs to be balanced is total healer DPS contribution between those roles.


This means that you must also balance the DPS contribution between

Lastly, the WHM skills in lilly and confession stack workings need to be fixed for all of the reasons stated by other people