Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Aramina]

This complete crap and you know it. Without having metrics there is no proof it is a problem other than the perceptions and preconceived notions of players prior to any real testing. Furthermore, if it is as bad as seems the testers should already be providing said feedback.

Again I'm not saying you should not be concerned and not give opinions, but they should be constructive and not laden with the we are doomed language pervasive in the most of the posts regarding the white Mage.

Yes, constructive would be better... I am sure you have been around long enough to realize what should be is rarely what is.

That aside, the comments are not coming from thin air. People didn't just look at a few tooltips and decide the sky is falling. They are basing it off people whose opinion they know/respect that have seen the changes live that are basically saying "guys, this doesn't look good".

[NubSM]

I'm still new to this forum so I didn't search for other threads but u are right

[Feidam]

Yes, constructive would be better... I am sure you have been around long enough to realize what should be is rarely what is.

That aside, the comments are not coming from thin air. People didn't just look at a few tooltips and decide the sky is falling. They are basing it off people whose opinion they know/respect that have seen the changes live that are basically saying "guys, this doesn't look good".

And those people admitted that they had very limited time with the new class designs. So take it as a first impression and not the whole truth.

A couple even stated they didn't see what they wanted to see for the class. That alone could have colored any objectivity.

[Aramina]

And those people admitted that they had very limited time with the new class designs. So take it as a first impression and not the whole truth.

A couple even stated they didn't see what they wanted to see for the class. That alone could have colored any objectivity.

Sure, and it's not so much that I disagree with you, but rather I understand/accept where people coming from and know telling them to "Calm down!" will do nothing more than fan the flames. :P

[SpookyGhost]

This complete crap and you know it. Without having metrics there is no proof it is a problem other than the perceptions and preconceived notions of players prior to any real testing. Furthermore, if it is as bad as seems the testers should already be providing said feedback.

Knowing that there is a potential problem means you can investigate it. As an example, if every skilled WHM tells you that Cure/Cure II is the least efficient spell to be casting and your new WHM system revolves around those two skills then maybe you can consider changing that system. However, if you (as the dev team) know that the content is tuned to output significantly higher damage than before then maybe you think "well, the community isn't right because they don't know this thing we know so we don't need to change it". It's significantly better to complain now with the potential of your complaints causing them to realize that maybe the decision they made isn't all that good rather than waiting til release to find out it's actually as bad as you feared and now your job will suffer until they fix it.

Better still would be to have a PTR but I doubt that's ever gonna happen.

[alimdia]

But it's also true that the translations from many, MANY of the tooltips have been severely inaccurate. And everything is subject to change, especially if SE gets wind of the communities concern about what's happening with WHM.

We all can access the JP tooltips anytime by going to Famitsu, the tooltips of lilies say the same in JP as well, so the translation argument holds no weight when you can easily check the source info by yourself.

Yes, everything is subject to change, but it's good that the community voices the direction they want that change to take, because even if they tweak the proc rate of lilies WHM as a whole would still not be very useful, not party interaction, no reason to use WHM over AST or SCH.

[Remedi]

I'd say the reaction is close enough to having a PTR though

[Keridwyn]

I never said anything about not voicing concerns or complaining. I am all for that. We should always voice our concerns when things are not looking good.

Voice your concerns, share your opinions, and pray that the dev team hears you. But don't say that the cake is nasty and should be thrown out entirely before you even had the chance to taste the finished product.

This is us voicing our concerns. Some people are far more hyperbolic about it than others. As optimistic as I am, I am very worried about the fact that WHM has ten fewer abilities than either SCH or AST (counting cards and fairy abilities). We donated the most to the cross role (which I understand since we were the template healer class) but they didn't give us anything in return for it. I'm not saying the cake is nasty, I'm just wondering why it's single layer, burnt, and lacking frosting.

[Feidam]

Better still would be to have a PTR but I doubt that's ever gonna happen.

Here's the thing we don't really know this based on the new changes. We know it based on the current version. However, those running numbers and giving opinions are more credible imo. However, even then cure and cure2 could become the most efficient based on the new lily system and the new confession mechanic. We just do not have any proof yet that it doesn't because we can not even be sure we have the right info without having the most current testing info.

Also, I do think a ptr would be of benefit to the game. Even then, though, the ptr is not usually used to test an expansion.

On a side note my personal wish is the lily system would empower utility spells for the whm but alas that is not the route they took.

[Niroken]

Here's the thing we don't really know this based on the new changes. We know it based on the current version. However, those running numbers and giving opinions are more credible imo. However, even then cure and cure2 could become the most efficient based on the new lily system and the new confession mechanic. We just do not have any proof yet that it doesn't because we can not even be sure we have the right info without having the most current testing info.

Maybe we should get this out of the way first then, exactly what is the official amount of time should we have with the new changes before voicing our concerns?