Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Ok, I'll put in my 2 cents as well even if I'm sure most of it has been said.

A. The new role system means nothing to a WHM. We gain nothing from it. In fact they more or less stripped us for parts and now we'll be forced to buy back our own toys while the other healers get new shiny ones of their own on top of access to ours. The biggest hit to me is Divine Seal. That's a Job specific, quest locked ability that they have taken away without giving us anything in its place.

B. The lily system is bogus. You can't/shouldn't base a major mechanic on a low percentage (20%), tacked onto an RNG proc (crit), on a few moves that it isn't logical to spam (cure/cure II). Not only that but the reward isn't worth diddly squat. Honestly I can see myself ignoring the lily system completely as it stands now because it isn't worth playing inefficiently and holding cool downs for the sake of a chance to get lower cool downs. Either the reward needs a serious rework or the effort to get it needs to come way down and that's the bare minimum. Personally, I'd say its both.

C. Confession is...a semi neat concept that, again, is executed poorly due to the fact that it procs only off of our Cure/Cure II. Why are they trying to excommunicate our AoE/Hot skills? I've read some people supposing this is because square wants WHM to do more cure spamming but if that is the case, we have even more problems than I thought.

D. Is any other WHM kinda tired of being the most visually dull healer? Its like the Charlie Brown Halloween special. Everyone else: I GOT CANDY. I GOT A QUARTER. I GOT A CHOCOLATE BAR. White mages:...I got a rock. With all the focus on spending time with our current tank and healing classes by not adding new ones, I expected more than a few vague lights and slightly redesigned rocks. Especially when AST can open up a galaxy. WHM's are harnessing the freakin' power of the elementals and flinging it at their enemies but Square seems to shy away from doing anything to express that other than dull rocks. Why don't our big heals explode in leaves or flower petals? Why isn't ensuna a rush of cleansing water? Something on par with the AST in terms of design . Instead I'm left feeling like our moves are the stock photo's the came with the frame rather than anything original.

If I sound bitter, I probably am honestly. I'll admit that I wasn't impressed with how WHM was treated coming into HW and nothing was really ever addressed. Still, I stuck with it and had hope that SB would finally set things right. Only it seems we got shafted and so my patience is rather thin with the whole situation at this point. I'm hoping since they have half acknowledged how many complaints there are and that our concerns seem to be echoed outside the forums, things will be adjusted pre launch. I know a rework is unlikely, but hopefully something to make it feel worth while and exciting to experience the content as a WHM rather than being envious of everyone else or abandoning the class in favor of one Square doesn't seem to hate. I almost fall into the camp of 'scrap it and start over'. That's how far off base the changes feel.

Originally Posted by Hikuras

Are we sure KisaiTenshi isn't an alt and she actually does have a 60 whm somewhere and is only posting on an alt account due to a ban or something? Cause it could be that?

Just stop feeding the troll and it'll go away eventually. Everything it says is designed to infuriate the already agitated whm mains voicing their (very valid) concerns here.

I'm a little surprised that the 'new' stuff that WHM got was so badly implemented. What's with all the randomness and forced use of Cure I and Cure II? Also with the way cross role has been adjusted, I think most jobs need more slots to accommodate for what they lost but ESPECIALLY for WHM since they lost more than they can get back with the cross role actions being limited to 5.

What about an idea like this again... we have lilies as our mechanic now... so does that mean we should have a sort of plant theme too?

Vitality of the Oak
Effect: Stoneskin-esque.
Reduces all damage taken by the target by 10% until it has absorbed an amount of damage equal to 20% of the target's max health.
Reduced the resource cost of skills (TP/MP) by 10% while active.

This skill can consume 3 lilies to make it party-wide.

-- it's not a barrier, but a limited mitigation buff. Not as strong as a tank's, and it wouldn't last for very long on a tank, but it might last enough on say a DRK or PLD who's thirsting for resources and needs a bit more time to get a combo off to restore mp/etc. Most effective on DPS, but they can't get hit much before it falls off. I pulled the numbers out of my ass, so they can be tweaked for the sake of balance, naturally. But it's something a bit different.

Of every rework and added skills to current and new jobs, WHM is the only job right now that does not bring any raid utility, looking away from the 15% shield that stacks with SCH shield, in any form that either boosts someone damage, give them attack speed etc.

Yes I understand that WHM always have been that pure healer, but some classic spells that WHM sometimes had in other games were Haste for faster attacks on party members, Faith for magical damage or Bravery for physical.
You could even make the effect of those 3 spells gets enhanced further depending on many lilies was spent on the cast. +5% Haste, up to +15%, magic/physical +5% - 15%, but then perhaps limit one spell to one party member and or make them only use lilies to be able to cast, and generating lilies takes time, to help balance it out to not make it too overpowered of course.

They say every job is viable in any scenario standard comp. Yes its true and I agree, but if you look at it from the view of a group that might want to delve deeper into optimizing themselves then an AST / SCH build is kinda "forced" on them again because WHM does not bring any enhancements to player damage stats in some form.

You say "what's stopping people just spreading Regen around on players not needing it?" as if people can't just sit casting Cure on players that don't need it.

They can very much be on regen. Maybe on application or fall-off, but there's no inherent difference between Cure and Regen for this purpose.

Originally Posted by Metsonm

You say "what's stopping people just spreading Regen around on players not needing it?" as if people can't just sit casting Cure on players that don't need it.

At least someone said it.

People who are playing suboptimally will probably continue to play suboptimally. However, if Lilies are tied to Regens rather than Cures, then the better players can actually get some of the benefit (even if the benefit is terrible as of right now) as opposed to completely ignoring the mechanic otherwise AND lose ability gated behind the liles. Sure, spreading Regens and Medica II is also suboptimal, BUT those players that are playing optimally to the best of their ability are getting some benefits from the Lily system.