Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Beskar

The way people are acting in this thread it's as if the sky is falling. Rather than just speculating about what people think will happen, at least try it first. If it doesn't work, the politely offer ways to suggest it. Crying loud wont do anything at this stage and as it's been stated multiple times, numbers are not final. Playstyle might even change completely in raids, we don't know anything yet. The only people who know were those at the media event and currently the dev and QA teams.

Waiting until we try it to offer feedback offers at least two major downsides.

(1) These forums are a form of stress relief for people concerned about the direction of WHM - waiting obviously removes said form of stress relief.
(2) Waiting means the various issues are on the radar of the dev team for that much less time; just because they probably won't resolve the issues prior to Early Access, doesn't mean that early warning isn't helpful.

There are probably other good reasons for speculation at this stage, too. Regardless, it's not just a useless exercise. Everyone's aware of the fact that Raids might be designed in a way that mitigates our concerns, or that things might be changed prior to the release of Stormblood. Regardless, though, based on what we know now, there are huge problems with the WHM adjustments.

Originally Posted by Beskar

The way people are acting in this thread it's as if the sky is falling. Rather than just speculating about what people think will happen, at least try it first. If it doesn't work, the politely offer ways to suggest it. Crying loud wont do anything at this stage and as it's been stated multiple times, numbers are not final. Playstyle might even change completely in raids, we don't know anything yet. The only people who know were those at the media event and currently the dev and QA teams.

Many of us have seen what changes like this result in. Astro was a completely dead job at release. Practically no one played it until it slowly crept into the meta through a multitude of buffs. To my continual amazement, White Mage is arguably worse off than 3.0 Astro. This won't matter significantly with casual centric content, however people will lock healer roles for Extreme and Savage. I cannot see a single benefit White Mage offers to a raid comp. For a supposedly pure healer, it's outshined by Astro and has laughable utility by comparison. Dedicated healers, especially White Mage mains, have every reason to be upset. The job is absolute garbage compared to its counterparts.

Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

For a supposedly pure healer, it's outshined by Astro and has laughable utility by comparison. Dedicated healers, especially White Mage mains, have every reason to be upset. The job is absolute garbage compared to its counterparts.

Literally outshined, may I just add. The astro abilities are even just beautiful to look at. WHM is just washed up like that water spell they get to splash themselves with =/

Scholar's new healing ability should've been whm's and been renamed to Arise.

I like the cleric stance change but the other stuff I'm not sure I like it or not at this point they should given a small light elemental that you attach to a party member increase x/y depending on job and auto raise if player died if attached and the management to keep it out would be using Lily's flowers /shrug at this point I just don't know.....

Originally Posted by odintius

I like the cleric stance change but the other stuff I'm not sure I like it or not at this point they should given a small light elemental that you attach to a party member increase x/y depending on job and auto raise if player died if attached and the management to keep it out would be using Lily's flowers /shrug at this point I just don't know.....

You know... I'd have been okay with this. Something I'd have actually enjoyed probably. Minus the Lilies part. Until lilies have a 100% proc rate and can proc from Regen/Medica/other healing abilities, I don't really want much to do with them.

Originally Posted by Vexander

You know... I'd have been okay with this. Something I'd have actually enjoyed probably. Minus the Lilies part. Until lilies have a 100% proc rate and can proc from Regen/Medica/other healing abilities, I don't really want much to do with them.

Yes the more I read into it the less I like it just try to fit something more realistic beside pure healer we have plenty of that for job role more support attach it to sch pet reduce it cast time or ast increase duration of card effect /shrug at this point I'm making stuff up I wish had happen lol

The more I dig into this, the more I agree that WHM is missing something. The Lily's and Confession Stacks need one more trigger; something that isn't a Cure I or Cure II. Making it trigger on a HoT feels OP, even if you add RNG, but it doens't make sense to add it to a DPS skill either.

Perhaps Tetra has 100% chance of a Lily, and Divine Benison scales with Lily count?

Originally Posted by SlogDog

I was thinking maybe not a heal at all, maybe stone could have a lower chance to proc lilies, along with adding in regen at a lower rate. I think that would be more balanced towards the full toolkit. still pretty pointless and tacked on but it would be something. Scaling DB would make it a little more wanted... since tetra spends lillies to cast your idea is more like one free refill each time.

Mechanically, adding it to a dps skill could make sense, but it doesn't fit their WHM theme. Tetra has a long enough cooldown to keep some semblance of balance while removing some RNG and adding an additional trigger.