Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Keridwyn]

Because of the concerns the community is having now, its possible that White Mage can be changed. So what we know of WHM right now may not be the case come SB. So it would be best for us to wait until it comes out before making any conclusions.

If we don't voice these concerns then SE wouldn't have any idea that we had them. The more WHM here on the forums going 'I do not like the look of this' the more chances we have that the A) Tweak potency/percentages/timers in the two weeks they've still got or B) Start planning tweaks to implement in future patches.

There are enough signs of smoke to point to something being wrong without ever having played it. I'm still going to level my WHM because it's my main job but I have some justified concerns about the double RNG on my lv 70 ability AND the fact that I no longer can plan my cooldowns for best case use.

[Fleur-C]

I agree with you. I have loved being whm. I do not love the new changes that are coming. Hopefully we will see some changes to improve whm way past what we've seen so far.

I'm going to play as white mage (healing holes), dragoon (making holes) and learning to tank as paladin (preventing holes). Gonna also gather and craft...

I wanna be salty but can't - too excited for new exploring and story...

[Mindiori]

''honing their skills by playing''

Hahaha I never get much further than stupid statements like this. There is nothing even remotely skilled about this game, or any other 'game' for that matter. Get over yourself. Or better yet, pick up some actual skills.

[Feidam]

You said that we should wait. That we shouldn't complain or jump to conclusions.
But you also said that if we remain vocal, SE might change stuff around.

So, what do you want to say? We shut up or we raise our voice? It can't be both.

The problem is most are not voicing concerns or even acknowledging that things could change. They are making definitive declarative statements that the white Mage is dead. They have written off the class without even trying it themselves. Sure they could be right, but they could just as easily be wrong. Being concerned is one thing, however all of the saying the sky is not falling, but has already fallen posts are premature based on what we know.

Edit. I'm more concerned at this point of it being a self fulfilling prophecy compared to the actual state of the class.

[Aramina]

The problem is most are not voicing concerns or even acknowledging that things could change. They are making definitive declarative statements that the white Mage is dead. They have written off the class without even trying it themselves. Sure they could be right, but they could just as easily be wrong. Being concerned is one thing, however all of the saying is not falling, but has already fallen posts are premature based on what we know.

Would you feel better if everyone posting put "Disclaimer: Things could change." at the bottom of their post? I would think one would not need to acknowledge the obvious.... but if it would help....

[Feidam]

Would you feel better if everyone posting put "Disclaimer: Things could change." at the bottom of their post? I would think one would not need to acknowledge the obvious.... but if it would help....

I would prefer the stopping of the arguments stating things as fact prior to the launch. Especially since we know some of the tool tips have been incorrect. Come launch if it truly is as it appears then fire away. As a seasoned tester I can honestly say based on my experience the up roar without actually trying the class out will not sway many developers.

[Keridwyn]

In total: WHM: 24, SCH: 34, AST: 33
if you drop out their "useless" skills, WHM only has 12 abilities to use and no mitigation abilities until level 66 and not a single barrier.

I was actually just combing through all the changes and compiling the differences in abilities. There's a difference between combating button bloat and stripping a class down to the skeleton. I guess what really chafes me is that we STILL have a now even more worthless Fluid Aura and Repose (i.e. the skill we used once for a quest and didn't even leave on our hotbars).

[Aramina]

I would prefer the stopping of the arguments stating things as fact prior to the launch. Especially since we know some of the tool tips have been incorrect. Come launch if it truly is as it appears then fire away. As a seasoned tester I can honestly say based on my experience the up roar without actually trying the class out will not sway many developers.

As a seasoned tester you should know it is easier/wiser to fix potential problems BEFORE they occur, not clean up the mess afterwards and the only way they are alerted to potential problems is by people speaking up. Do I agree with all the dramatics? No, but I agree even less with people that imply everyone should shut up until the 16th.

[RaijinSupreme]

You said that we should wait. That we shouldn't complain or jump to conclusions.
But you also said that if we remain vocal, SE might change stuff around.

So, what do you want to say? We shut up or we raise our voice? It can't be both.

I never said anything about not voicing concerns or complaining. I am all for that. We should always voice our concerns when things are not looking good.

Thats not what I have an issue with.

Completely writing off WHM, treating it as if its a lost cause, and making definitive decisions about the fate of WHM before actually seeing a fully finished release version of it is premature.

Voice your concerns, share your opinions, and pray that the dev team hears you. But don't say that the cake is nasty and should be thrown out entirely before you even had the chance to taste the finished product.

If we don't voice these concerns then SE wouldn't have any idea that we had them. The more WHM here on the forums going 'I do not like the look of this' the more chances we have that the A) Tweak potency/percentages/timers in the two weeks they've still got or B) Start planning tweaks to implement in future patches.

There are enough signs of smoke to point to something being wrong without ever having played it. I'm still going to level my WHM because it's my main job but I have some justified concerns about the double RNG on my lv 70 ability AND the fact that I no longer can plan my cooldowns for best case use.

See above.

[Feidam]

As a seasoned tester you should know it is easier/wiser to fix problems BEFORE they occur, not clean up the mess afterwards.

This complete crap and you know it. Without having metrics there is no proof it is a problem other than the perceptions and preconceived notions of players prior to any real testing. Furthermore, if it is as bad as seems the testers should already be providing said feedback.

Again I'm not saying you should not be concerned and not give opinions, but they should be constructive and not laden with the we are doomed language pervasive in most of the posts regarding the white Mage.