Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

I decided I would copy paste something I typed out on reddit. It seems like a good time to do so.

This is the origin of all the healer cross class skills:
WHM- 3 (Cleric Stance*, Protect*,Divine Seal/Largesse*)
AST/WHM- 1 (Shroud/Luminous Aether/Lucid Dreaming*)
SCH- 1 (Eye for an Eye*)
Other/new- 4 (Break, Swiftcast*, Surecast*, Rescue)
All- 1 (Esuna*)

*Required for current WHM functionality.

I should point out, that my other 3 personal (midcore-ish) cross class skills were Virus, Blizzard 2 , and Surecast. However, I never used any of these, nor did I have them on my hotbar. Please don't scold me for not using Virus. I know I'm bad. ;~;

From this we can see that WHMs lose 1-2 (Esuna isn't used in all instances, and only 1 healer needs Protect. Although, it can be argued that Break is like Stone 1, but we're losing all lower leveled stones too. I'm not sure where I'm going with this.) usable actions because of the roll skill system. Not only that, but we don't get to try out Rescue or the new Surecast without giving up something that was part of our toolkit.

I would also like to point out that Largesse, the new Divine Seal, is worse for WHMs. Divine seal is a 30% buff for 15 seconds. Largesse is a 20% buff for 20 seconds. Not only does Divine Seal have an overall better potency (assuming 6 gcds for Divine Seal, and 8 gcds for Largesse), but Largesse has a 30 second longer cooldown (unaffected by the lilies too!). WHMs do not need a Divine Seal for a longer duration. My personal main function of Divine Seal is to buff Medica 2 and Regen for the tank(s). I don't even need the full 15 seconds to do this. In a continuous HoT situation the idea was that every other Medica 2 and every third Regen would be buffed.

(Note: Since I made this post originally, it was pointed out that Largesse works on oGCD spells like Tetra and Assize. But I still think Divine Seal is better mostly because of the 60 second cooldown.)

Originally Posted by Royardee

Post 1 of 5 (wow the character limit is bad)

Bit late now but for future reference, you can edit your post to bypass the limit (which is why so many posts start with one line or "edit incoming" or similar...)

Originally Posted by javid

I'll be nice...

how many cures can you cast in 30 secs??? Let's assume a 2.0 GCD; in 30 sec you can cast 15 cures!! THATS a ton!!

ok............

how many ticks from HoTs can you cast in 30 secs on a 8 man party?? lets assume a 2.0 GCD: one medica II +11 regens; for total tick count within the 30 sec of.... 133 F#$KING TICKS

....NOW......which of the two looks more abusive? 15 attempts at getting a lily/confession in 30sec? or 133 attempts at getting a lily/confession in 30sec? ALSO... which of the two actually casted MORE GCDS?? 15 CURES GCDs? OR 12 GCDs on regen and medica combined???

DUDE ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE......not even......close......

Then don't do them off ticks? Do it on application, like Cure. I literally gave that suggestion.

The lily system is far from perfect. The proc rate is too low (on top of being a proc on a proc) for too little a benefit (a Spear? We get a stinking Spear?! AND THEY ALWAYS GET CONSUMED?!). The WHM lost so many skills to the cross role system and didn't get enough back. The WHM has no identity. The Lily was their attempt at giving them one, and it failed miserably. "Pure Healer" doesn't work in this game. It never worked in this game. The only way it could work in this game is if they had team support OUT THE WAZOO to make up for lower personal DPS. Guess what? WHM has THE HIGHEST. This flies IN THE FACE of the WHM's design.

If they want a "pure healer", the AST should have been it. The AST actually HAS team support, a ton of it! They can TP regen, MP regen, Defense boost, Haste boost, and damage boost. On top of that, they aren't actively encouraged to ignore most of their kit to support the party.

Honestly, if RNG is the route that the designers decide to follow then you'll delight nobody planning to go into serious content. No one maps their cooldowns or healing abilities to things that can proc or happen on chance-- especially not if it's a negligible boon on top of it. No matter how likely it is to proc, if it's anything short of a hundred percent, people will be reluctant to rely on it.

You can see this being reflected in the Astrologian's toolkit of The Bole and The Spear even prior to The Balance changes; RNG defensive mechanics were always unnecessary as even if a group decided to rely on something occurring with a high chance, all it takes is that off-chance of something not going right due to a random number for a wipe to happen and consistency to fly out the window (something of which is of great import in harder content as there's already plentiful human error).