Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Fynlar]

none of this accounts for the fact that the actual problem here is that the 4.0 WHM sounds miserable and unrewarding to play.

Matter of opinion. I'll still be playing it.

I'm not saying that no problem exists. I'm saying that berating a player for picking a job you don't like only says more about you than it does for them.

So, it's ok for BLMs to only cast freeze right? It kills the mobs eventually, surely that's fine. They should be allowed to pick the weaker option if that's what they want!

Your comparison sucks.

[Yallaid]

The intended gameplay is "what is the best thing to cast" not "what do I need to keep pressing" like a DPS.

this right here is why you are wrong. There should not be a job in the game that does not have SOMETHING it should press every 2.5 seconds.

There is currently no other job in the game, not even the other healers, that works that way and there should not be. The design of the game is that there should be something useful to accomplish with your gcd every time it comes available.

[Aramina]

I'm not saying that no problem exists. I'm saying that berating a player for picking a job you don't like only says more about you than it does for them.

I think you took what Urthdigger said out of context. I don't think he was saying to berate people for picking the wrong job, but rather from the angle of a heads up "If your goal is savage level raiding then you would be better off choosing ast or sch as your main."

[Yallaid]

Matter of opinion. I'll still be playing it.

I will be as well, just like i did 3.x BRD. because i am stubborn and because these are the jobs that I like.

But just like with 3.x BRD, I Want The Job To Function Properly

[Brill_]

I think you took what Urthdigger said out of context. I don't think he was saying to berate people for picking the wrong job, but rather from the angle of a heads up "If your goal is savage level raiding then you would be better off choosing ast or sch as your main."

What proof is there that whm won't be able to complete savage content?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

What proof is there that whm won't be able to complete savage content?

Aramina didn't say White Mage couldn't clear Savage, just that you would be better off with Astro and Scholar. And she isn't wrong. Unless something changes between now and sometime late July when Omega Savage releases, White Mage isn't just sub-optimal, it borders on being a hindrance due to how powerful Astro and Scholar are.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

What proof is there that whm won't be able to complete savage content?

None at all. WHM will absolutely be capable of completing savage content. But whether statics want bring them is questionable. I mean why bring a healer that just heals and does dps when you can bring a healer that heals, does dps, and buffs the whole groups dps as well? Without some sort of group dps buff utility, WHM has less to offer their groups than AST and SCH do.

[Aramina]

What proof is there that whm won't be able to complete savage content?

What the other 2 said. I am not saying they won't be capable of it. I am saying you bring the best tool (or this case 2 tools) for the job and given the choice... WHM won't be one of them.

[Kaonis]

What proof is there that whm won't be able to complete savage content?

It's like AST on 3.0 all over. It was possible to clear savage, but they were in every way weaker in any comp compared to just bringing a SCH/WHM, which translates to more of a burden on the rest of the group. Everyone has to do more DPS to make up for the DPS loss of bringing an AST back in those days, and the second healer has to make up for the loss of healing throughput with bringing an AST.

But there is a world of difference between viable, and placing much more of the burden on the rest of the group, especially when there was nothing to justify it.

[Fynlar]

I think you took what Urthdigger said out of context. I don't think he was saying to berate people for picking the wrong job, but rather from the angle of a heads up "If your goal is savage level raiding then you would be better off choosing ast or sch as your main."

I don't recall seeing "savage level raiding" anywhere in his post.

Also, when you say to outright delete a job, it's kinda implied that you think nobody should be playing it for any reason, even if *GASP* they happen to enjoy it, and regardless of whether they even intend to play it as a savage level raider.