Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

maybe they are making fights require whm levels of healing as the other 2 hlrs will have synastry + divine veal or dissapation + divine veal so 40% healing increase to try bring them up for content but yea whm still needs more utility over healing prowress

Unless they dramatically nerf the potency of Embrace, nerf the healing effect bonus of Fey Illumination and Synastry (since both AST and SCH get access to Divine Seal), AND dramatically increase the raid damage in fights, WHM will spend another raid tier being serviceable, but clunky and unfashionable. That barrier is worthless, and the leash is a role skill. I'm not even convinced Haste will save the job at this point. I was hoping to switch from raiding as a scholar for the past three tiers but that's looking unlikely.

Obviously everyone is engaging in some degree of speculation at this point, and things could change, but their comments lead me to believe they just have no idea how to address the lack of balance between the healing jobs. Maybe they don't even see it as a problem in the first place, and WHM is supposed to be for casual players who only do roulettes and their weekly 24 man.

Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Actually, I'm not sure we do lose Divine Seal (or at least completely.) Look at the WHM skills in this video (6:53): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFDb3z0aQPI

The first animation is Divine Seal's.

For whatever reason, they're showcasing cross role skills on WHM, like that tether and Divine Seal. And that scares me, because it probably means the rest isn't worth showing off.

I'm wondering what's going to happen to Assize. With the Cleric Stance change, is it going to stay a 300/300 potency skill? Are they going to change how it works or nerf it?

Blown away by three, count them three WHM job abilities going onto the cross role buffet table. Hey, you thought WHM had no unique identity before...and extra LOL at the indirect effect some of these changes are going to have on the meta. Lustrate's only 3.0 weakness is being removed (needing to drop Cleric to use it), Scholar's already busted as hell shields are getting access to Divine Seal, cross classed Regen is probably going to stack with Embrace...

Those healing lilies had better be the best thing since sliced bread, because the scant evidence so far sounds like they made Scholar even more obscenely overpowered from those cross role changes alone.

Originally Posted by Semirhage

Those healing lilies had better be the best thing since sliced bread, because the scant evidence so far sounds like they made Scholar even more obscenely overpowered from those cross role changes alone.

They're doing some pretty obscene things to AST too. Kind of sounds like the endgame meta is sch/ast or ast/ast against unless there are some severe nerfs to their healing output. And even if there are, they arn't going to require whm so...does it matter?

Originally Posted by Semirhage

I'm wondering what's going to happen to Assize. With the Cleric Stance change, is it going to stay a 300/300 potency skill? Are they going to change how it works or nerf it?

Blown away by three, count them three WHM job abilities going onto the cross role buffet table. Hey, you thought WHM had no unique identity before...and extra LOL at the indirect effect some of these changes are going to have on the meta. Lustrate's only 3.0 weakness is being removed (needing to drop Cleric to use it), Scholar's already busted as hell shields are getting access to Divine Seal, cross classed Regen is probably going to stack with Embrace...

Those healing lilies had better be the best thing since sliced bread, because the scant evidence so far sounds like they made Scholar even more obscenely overpowered from those cross role changes alone.

... Wait, Crossclass-Regen? Are you serious? Oh gods...
I didn't see the beginning of the stream, but it looks like my acquintance didn't tell me everything since he only mentioned the changes to Cleric's, and the rest I've seen myself...

Known/Tooltip Available

Cleric Stance - Increases damage dealt by 5% // 15s duration // 90s cooldown

Rescue - Pulls target party member towards you // 150s cooldown

Existing Skills

Protect - Likely no changes as it's already identical across all classes.

Esuna - Likely no changes as the ability is already identical besides name across all healers.

Eye for an Eye - Defensive cooldown on single player. Might change some since SCH/SMN have a trait for the cooldown currently.

Swiftcast - Might see some changes since BLM had a trait for it previously.

Surecast - As above, BLM had a trait for this, so might see some tweaks.

Unknown Skills

Break - Casters also have access to this. Looks like it's probably some kind of Stun/CC.

Lucid Dream - Casters also have access to this. Guessing a shared Sleep, since WHM and BLM both had sleeps before?

慈愛 (Affection) - ???

That's the list I found For references, the post right at the bottom

There is no cross-class Regen.

I think a lot of you are doom-saying a little bit too much before even getting to know more about the new core mechanics of WHM. I'd wait to hear more about the job's flower-based stuff before jumping to conclusions. The fact that Protect, Divine Seal, Esuna and Cleric are now in role skills means that either WHM can get new skills that come with utility or mitigation (or both), or that the other healers are losing skills too, since they want to avoid hotbar cluttering. Particularly in the case of Divine Seal, since it is a job action, this means WHM DEFINITELY is gonna get something to replace it.

Stone IV was an obvious addition since all healers need an updated potency nuke to keep up with DPS (which will replace Stone I/II/III in our hotbars, as well as Ruin and Broil, yay!) so I don't see why anyone would complain there...

I know their comments weren't exactly uplifting, but don't go so far as to bury WHM just yet, have a little faith in your main job .

Btw, the fairy tether makes me think Scholar's healing output through Eos is getting a rather heavy handed nerf, so there's that at least? lmao. The fact that they decided to showcase AST's cards with Arrow instead of Balance makes me suspect Balance might be reworked somehow... but we'll see.

Originally Posted by Fernosaur

I know their comments weren't exactly uplifting, but don't go so far as to bury WHM just yet, have a little faith in your main job .

The main reason is that we know what needs to happen to make whm useful. Basically either the endgame needs to change to require a hell of a lot more healing than it does now or whm needs some ability to boost raid dps. Since whm has no answer to balance/arrow or fey wind, and they're unwilling to make a raid require the healing power of a whm there's not a lot of hope to be had. Sure we'll wait for final confirmation but it's highly unlikely either of those things is happening. Plain and simple whm needs haste as an answer to cards and fey wind.

Originally Posted by Fernosaur

There is no cross-class Regen.

I sure do hope so.

I know their comments weren't exactly uplifting, but don't go so far as to bury WHM just yet, have a little faith in your main job .

I'm sorry to tell you that my faith in Square's ability to balance healers, especially WHM, properly died quite some time ago. It was a tragic, painful death an the loss will be sorely felt.

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

I sure do hope so.

I'm sorry to tell you that my faith in Square's ability to balance healers, especially WHM, properly died quite some time ago. It was a tragic, painful death an the loss will be sorely felt.

I know how you feel. I used to main Paladin throughout late ARR and into early HW and believe me, nothing felt quite as abandoned and left in the dust as PLD. It still feels like it, but even through the lackluster job they've done to balance PLD has me with some surviving hope that it might be a little bit more in-line with the other tanks come SB. Of course, it helps that we got much more info on tank changes than we did for healers, but we'll see.

I'm just saying that it's still waaay too early to count WHM out. They're getting spell-speed buffs, and I don't think the WHM showcase was just to give another demonstration of Rescue. My theory is that they can share this spell/skill-speed buff somehow.

Originally Posted by Snat

It makes you wonder why they are not showing us what is new about White Mage when the other jobs did go into a bit of detail about how they changed.

Tbh I was holding out through the entire liveletter for more SCH info and we got even less than we got for WHM, so I wouldn't be so sure that it's because WHM is gonna die forever. The data we got on AST was also pretty vague and didn't go into detail at all.