Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

By utility I want things like you know, stoneskin back. Or what about a group wide esuna? I suggested Fluid Aura could be an AOE bind. What about an Auto-Raise style skill for those moments when you have no other choice but to let the bad happen. I guess if we have to talk damage a reflect bubble could be really neat.

I dont mind being the healer with the big numbers but I honestly like having more solutions than rocks, wind, and bandaids.

Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

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Actually, despite DPSing all of the time I do actually heal personally. o3o i mean, I am a healer afterall. I do actually heal o3o but that doesn't stop me from also dpsing. I'll be able to cast plenty of cures and cure IIs. Especially if the content requires so (again, I don't believe we know how hard the raids will hit?)

Although I'll admit I do like your ideas! But I still don't think Cure and Cure II are things WHM don't already use often. Especially if they're main healer with a sch off heal.

Originally Posted by Epo

I'll be able to cast plenty of cures and cure IIs.

I'm curious as to what you consider "plenty," because you basically need to be spamming Cures to get frequent Lily and Confession procs. As Dreamweaver suggests, casting enough of these spells is not only almost always the opposite of efficient in terms of healing, it consumes so many GCDs that you don't benefit from significant DPS uptime.

Gotta say, I agree with a lot of what you're saying. Of course I'm far from a WHM main, but still I think that what it is getting will be good for buffing up its MP conservation, and its new skills look to be good for helping its DPS output on top of that. Sure it didn't get anything flashy, but I agree it looks like it'll be in a good place as the "Pure Healer" they touted it as.

The worst part does seem to be the RNG-dependence of the new Lily-System. Maybe it'll be better in practice, or maybe it will be as horrific as everyone fears. If the latter proves true, hopefully they'll adjust it in due time.

I actually think this is a good way of looking at it, and I can agree with much of it.

My biggest problem with WHM was never it's "pure heals" style. WHM does incredible damage already with its 3 Aeros and Stone 3, but when you ran out of mana Shroud didn't last as long as LA for AST. Assize helped but it's cool down was too long to make up for how much mana Stone 3 would eat and healing would take.

The big issue with WHM for me isn't that it's "just heals". It's that if the content is easy enough you don't need big heals, and the built in mana management is so poor you can't spam DPS, then yeah WHM does seem boring and kinda useless.

You can make content harder or you can make mana way more manageable and let them throw more DPS. Now that WHMs can manage mana they can add a lot to DPS AND keep the party alive with those insane good heals. It's not as fancy as SCH/AST utility but the changes they made probably also put WHM back where it was before AST.

The biggest issue, BY FAR, isn't limited to our non existent synergy with ANY jobs and 0 raid utility.
It's the fact that not only are all of our new SB heals gated behind multiple layers of RNG, but that RNG is all based solely off of Cure spamming.

Which means if a WHM doesn't cast an excessive amount of cures regularly, not a single bit of their new abilities are being out to use.
It feels so tacked on and lacking of creativity. It's really a shame. This goes beyond just not being raid relevant. It's just not fun to use at all.

Look at Earthly Star from AST. Simple, satisfying to use, and fun. Spamming cure up to 15 seconds just for a slightly faster OGCD or AOE heal is ridiculous and horrifically underwhelming.

Originally Posted by Erakir

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Thank you pointing out that I did in fact screw up the Assize timer, but like you said, that is also in fact more mp saved. Sorry for putting the initial 18 seconds, though I never once mentioned the 90 second timer (You just know I used that when doing my maths because you saw the 18!) but I did do the maths on the spot and just pulled up my game to do it. Simple mistake, but again, as you said, more MP saved ♥ :P And as a main healer, I have to cast cure II almost every time a tank buster happens and sometimes even when one doesn't! (that's a lot of cure IIs!) And yeah, it's RNG based. But you're saying AST isn't? x:

Also while I can see how my "per cure or cure II crit" could easily taken to mean every heal, I didn't forget to take the proc chance into account. I forgot to mention it in the post as I made it while pretty heated (which I imagine should be obvious from the attitude in the post!) But again, thank you for bringing that up but it's still not something I see a worry over.

Also as far as cure III goes, my post says usually for the bads. Thanks for taking that out of context xD (although you probably just replied with being heated like I was and didn't mean to leave that info out!) Because, I do find Cure III as an INCREDIBLY valuable skill. The spamming is what I usually need for bad parties (and by spamming, I mean SPAMMING) but frequent use is not reserved for bad parties.