Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Iepuras]

Waiting for final numbers to see how it works is always a good idea, but currently with the iteration we have seen and what WHM has lost.... it's akin to gutting it. As others have said the utility is almost dead on WHM and with the RNG/Mechanics of the new skills they will sadly not live up to other skills the healers received. I mean... The good buffs we had and loved are gone and given to all healers in a weaker way. As for your argument Javid I question why you're even here when you're input, be it well thought out if you're like 10, isn't convincing. As someone that has healed in many MMOs, and played WHM since ARR, I can say that these changes are hurting much more than what you think they are. Go play the class. Maybe then you'll get it.

[Sebazy]

To clarify on Plenary Indulgence, the way I see it:

It's a self cast ability, not targetable thus the 0 range, think assize/indom or such but with a significantly larger radius (30 yards).

I'm pretty confident that 0 confession stacks = 0 healing. If that wasn't the case I suspect the CD would be a lot longer than 15 seconds.

It isn't intended to be another aoe heal, rather the radius is there to allow it to be used on multiple targets, e.g. in FaustZ, you'll likely be casting a fair amount of cures across both tanks, in this situation you'll likely be able to use Plenary almost on cooldown either to play it safe or buy yourself a few more DPS GCDs.

In a single tank situation, it's simply going to be a tank specific instant free heal on a short cooldown assuming the incoming damage is sufficient to actually proc it. In high sustained phases of tank healing it'll practically be a resource free lustrate on a 15 second CD (rng allowing), in periods where the tank isn't taking much damage it's likely to see little use, Cure2+Tetra will still be the go to burst for dungeons and such.

As someone that has healed in many MMOs, and played WHM since ARR, I can say that these changes are hurting much more than what you think they are. Go play the class. Maybe then you'll get it.

And yet I've played Conj since 1.0's closed beta, WHM since 2.0's closed Beta and my healing experience in mmos goes back approaching 20 years (Probably not far off that if you consider Anatomy in UO as healing ). I'm genuinely looking forward to these changes as I really do hope we actually get some raid content that warrants this kind of HPS potential.

The last point is a big piece of the puzzle though =(

60s. Assize is 90.

Assize is now 60 seconds (And reducible with crits and the lilly mechanic)

Roll on Omega, I can't wait <3

[Eothas]

Assize is now 60 seconds (And reducible with crits and the lilly mechanic)

RNG based and unreliably, because Asylum and Tetra will consume your lilies. Even then a CD reduction is not amazing for Assize, it's not a skill to use on CD if the content requires healing. If I have planned to use Assize during X phase/mechanic, getting Assize 10 seconds earlier makes no difference, it's worthless. Of course it will be half decent for DPS in 100% farm/easy content.

[Sebazy]

RNG based and unreliably, because Asylum and Tetra will consume your lilies. Even then a CD reduction is not amazing for Assize

It's base cooldown is 60 seconds down from 90 in HW, that much is guaranteed. The tier II lily trait is likely to be a little more consistent source of CD reduction on assize (Cure1/2 crits give a 20% chance to reduce Assize/Asylum's CD by 5 seconds) than the main lily mechanic on the UI sadly. I will add tho, assize was typically used on cooldown in progression raiding. At best you would try to time your first cast so it'd line up with something useful further into the fight (Aka A4S), at worst, you just mashed it towards the end of your opener in cleric stance and never looked back.

The way it's worded now makes it ambiguous who's confession is in question? Is it one confession determines everyone's potency? or is it every confession stack for himself??

I suspect the tooltips are still work in progress TBH and I'd also go as far as taking all the values shown with a little pinch of salt. Benison's tooltip highlights this beautifully with no mention of it needing a lily stack to be usable (Which is clearly demonstrated and confirmed in a few of the ability videos).

Aaaaand I hit my forum post limit right as 2 threads pop up claiming that Earthly Star is going to be a 900 potency assize, Someone do the honours and point out the radius thing to them ta? =(

[Alkimi]

It isn't intended to be another aoe heal, rather the radius is there to allow it to be used on multiple targets, e.g. in FaustZ, you'll likely be casting a fair amount of cures across both tanks, in this situation you'll likely be able to use Plenary almost on cooldown either to play it safe or buy yourself a few more DPS GCDs.

In a single tank situation, it's simply going to be a tank specific instant free heal on a short cooldown assuming the incoming damage is sufficient to actually proc it.

I like the idea of it, but a 20% activation rate on confession is far too low in my opinion. I honestly don't think it would hurt if it was 50% or even higher.

Certain fights like A11S it's not uncommon to not cast a single cure or cure 2 the entire fight. (although that is with echo, and Cruise Chaser's damage on the tanks is stupidly low)

[Iepuras]

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You make a valid point, and apologies if my post seemed more salt than helpful. Was more directing it to Javid. As for how it would work out I don't see it being a problem in dungeons. Main concern would be in the raid area. As is at the moment it can be seen as another emergency heal for the mt/ot and the lucky few who happen to have stacks at the moment. It being a 15 second cooldown is also nice, and all this reflects SE "pure healer" direction SE has decided to take with it. It feels like another tetra with lower cooldown and we have to build up. Also RNG.... /sigh