Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Neela

pure healer isnt in demand yet but who knows how 4.0 turns out? let's see ^^

It was nice in 2.0 where a sch/sch team was a pretty nasty thing and it was generally best to to have a whm/sch team. They blew that up with ast and now if you required healing, ast would take the whm spot cause of utility and similar healing output. They're not going to require the healing output cause they don't want to have a specific healer be required. Without giving whm more utility I just don't see anything they could reasonably do to make whm desired in 8 man content.

When Yoshi mentioned that WHMs will remain "pure healers"-- I cringed a little bit, but at this point, we still don't know what new abilities we'll be receiving. I hope we do get some form of utility. Hopefully all three healers will get decent treatment in Stormblood.

Originally Posted by fujiwuji

My usual response to that is 'who cares about raiding?'

Tons of people. More than people like to let on actually. Everyone loves to pull out their arbitrary % of endgame raiders to argue job balance, but in reality, there are probably more people on your server that raid (ex trials,savage etc) compared to sitting around spamming level 60 dungeons.

And even if this was the case and you don't raid; why stay ignorant to obvious balance issues? Just seems silly to pretend everything is alright and watch your job get branded as trash over time.

Originally Posted by Sebazy

In more casual content it just doesn't matter. It's plenty viable, it does solid personal DPS, what's the issue?

It's issues are really only in progression content right at the pointy end. Outside of that it's perfectly fine.

Can we just STOP this? Balance isn't only relevant to progression raiding, or world first raiding or whatever you want to say. The only content it truly doesn't matter in is dungeon content. Ex trials and on, IT MATTERS. There's a huge disparity between the healers, and it shouldn't be ignored just because you can suck it up and handicap your party if it came down to it.

Sooner or later, WHMs are going to be locked out of PFs like AST was.

I'm still hopeful for WHM. Two of the new abilities are clearly water-based, and look much more like utility skills than heals, and many have been asking for abilities along those lines. Also, if that is indeed an AoE tetra, having the insta-heal at that potency would be great - that's something AST doesn't have without using Swiftcast. Plus, as Gemina mentioned, the DPS potential will probably be the best of the three healers (as I think it should be). No sulking for me until they release the patch notes!

Originally Posted by Sebazy

My main concern with WHM for 4.0 is that SE won't address the MP deficit it faces compared to AST and SCH.

I wouldn't worry much about it. Lucid Dream has two more ticks over Shroud of Saints, and with LD being available to all healers, I'm sure Aetherflow will get an MP getback nerf and Luminiferous Aether will disappear. Also, with casters now being able to gain Lucid Dream for themselves and with the ability to "goad" MP for healers, I think MP problems are a thing of the past. I also wouldn't put it past the devs to lower the MP costs of a lot of abilities, we can't know for sure until the expansion is out.

This also doesn't take into account that now that Accuracy is FINALLY dead, and that Piety is a substat, we could potentially pentameld Piety if we find ourselves hurting for more MP.

Originally Posted by Fernosaur

Also, with casters now being able to gain Lucid Dream for themselves and with the ability to "goad" MP for healers, I think MP problems are a thing of the past.

I wouldn't count on this too much. The only one who is likely to be able to even do it is blm. Smn has finite MP, and it looks like rdm probably does too. Casters arn't going to want to just drop 20% of their mp. Keep in mind too a smn has good reason to want to use ruin III out of dreadwyrm.

Originally Posted by Fernosaur

I wouldn't worry much about it. Lucid Dream has two more ticks over Shroud of Saints, and with LD being available to all healers, I'm sure Aetherflow will get an MP getback nerf and Luminiferous Aether will disappear. Also, with casters now being able to gain Lucid Dream for themselves and with the ability to "goad" MP for healers

Well, two things.
First, if Luminiferous is gone, that means shroud is gone too. What this adds up to is WHM getting two more ticks, and AST still being able to greatly extend their own MP recovery while also still having less MP costs across the board.
Second, don't bet on casters giving up 20% of their MP for us. I know some casters that would sooner wipe then give up their resources or detarget the boss to out a buff on you.

Originally Posted by Yorumi

I wouldn't count on this too much. The only one who is likely to be able to even do it is blm. Smn has finite MP, and it looks like rdm probably does too. Casters arn't going to want to just drop 20% of their mp. Keep in mind too a smn has good reason to want to use ruin III out of dreadwyrm.

SMN does have finite MP, but can also take Lucid Dream now. It is a similar thing to combat resurrection: SMNs lose a lot of their MP when they do it, but if it's necessary, you suck it up and do it. As a SMN, it's better to give the healer MP and pop Lucid Dream if it means not wiping a non-speedrun instance. Ofc, the MP goad is much better on BLM during Umbral Ice, but it's a very decent option for party synergy with all casters. Can't really talk about RDM at all until we see how the job functions.

That said, WHM's MP regen got a slight buff because of the longer duration Lucid Dream has over Shroud of Saints, so there's that too.