Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

Well, two things.
First, if Luminiferous is gone, that means shroud is gone too. What this adds up to is WHM getting two more ticks, and AST still being able to greatly extend their own MP recovery while also still having less MP costs across the board.
Second, don't bet on casters giving up 20% of their MP for us. I know some casters that would sooner wipe then give up their resources or detarget the boss to out a buff on you.

Probably for Black Mage wouldn't be a problem in Umbral Ice or in phase transitions. I think that with Umbral Ice III even if you give 20% MP you would only need 2 ticks to be full MP so BLM wouldn't even notice since you already needed 2 tick for getting full MP.

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

It would still make them stay longer in Umbral, equalling a DPS loss, and DPS loss is bad. Ask any bard who ever had to play mp song, ever. So, not going to happen.

Read the last sentence I wrote and then think about it again. If you can't figure it out I will answer later.

Sigh.

Okay then, it's the end of the world for WHM. I'm out of these threads lmfao.

Says the one who runs a class that, for gods know what reason, has never received an obvious nerf, even though it's been clearly overpowered since 2.0. To someone who is concerned about a class that, for gods know what reason, has been nerfed pretty continuously since 2.0, in a game that prides itself on buffing classes instead of nerfing them. You do know that WHMs are arguing from past dev actions and not pulling doomsday scenarios out of thin air, right?

Originally Posted by Semirhage

Says the one who runs a class that, for gods know what reason, has never received an obvious nerf, even though it's been clearly overpowered since 2.0. To someone who is concerned about a class that, for gods know what reason, has been nerfed pretty continuously since 2.0, in a game that prides itself on buffing classes instead of nerfing them. You do know that WHMs are arguing from past dev actions and not pulling doomsday scenarios out of thin air, right?

Hahahahahahaha.

I main SCH because it's what my raid group needed most recently. I have all three healers and have used them all in raid. My first healer was WHM actually.

To completely counter your point, though, I used to main Paladin throughout all of Gordias and well into Midas. PALADIN. Believe me, no WHM can ever tell a PLD main about nerfs and buffs and lack of viability. WHM stayed in a pretty healthy spot through all of Gordias and well into Midas as well, and even now you aren't a detriment to your party's progression as a WHM, like PLD was through Gordias, and Creator in A12S. Paladins actually held their groups back in Gordias, like, legit kept them from clearing through the first weeks.

The only reason WHM is mostly benched right now is because of the ridiculous buffs Balance got in 3.4, but WHM is more than perfectly capable of clearing every single bit of content that has been released in the game. Before 3.4, yes, WHM was sub-optimal, but you never saw WHM get benched, ever. Some parties even preferred having a WHM in early A8S progression just because the healing checks were pretty heavy for low ILs.

WHM has never been a liability. WHM has never seen as much neglect as PLD has, so please don't bring up that bs with me. Yes, you lost Pro-Shell. Yes, you lost Graniteskin. But neither of those ruined WHM. And it's very obvious why Graniteskin had to go now that we have tanks and DPS with HP pools over 25-40k.

Read all of the above about Paladin, and you'll understand why I think everyone who's saying WHM is ruined for "another" expansion is overreacting and making fools of themselves.

Anyways, having said that, I'm officially out of this thread. But seriously, thanks to you guys I have a low opinion of WHM mains now. The only reason I will not wish that WHM actually gets super shafted is because I like Gemina and I wish her the best.

Originally Posted by Fernosaur

Salty rant

Why does a job need to sink so low as to become a detriment in order to get fixed or get the attention it needs? Is it not the job of the devs and the community to listen to and provide feedback (respectively) so that this doesn't happen? Yeah, WHM is fine in content that requires healing because that's what the devs made it do-- heal. But that doesn't mean that it's not being eclipsed in utility when it comes down to SCH and AST. Can you honestly tell me, right now, one good reason a group would take a white mage to The Interdimensional Rift when they can have a SCH/AST combo instead? What is it you think a WHM can do that a Scholar and Astrologian can't do while providing just as sufficient healing power as a white mage does?

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

Oh, really now. Then please, tell me why, for example, I barely ever found a duty finder group for stuff like Zurvan willing to take a WHM with them.

Not really a legit point, there is generally always a couple of PFs that only want PLD and WHM for A12S, bads will be bad =(

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

Tell me why 90% of all raid statics search AST/SCH instead of WHM.

Prove your worth and I suspect they will be happy to let you run WHM. Communicate and ask. If they still flat out refuse, I suspect you're dodging a bullet.

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

If WHM isn't a liability, then why does nobody want to take the class for anything but casual or farm content.

This is so because unfortunately people will blindly follow the meta if they don't know better =(

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

because why take it when AST is simply better in everything it does. Can WHM clear everything? YES. Is WHM prefered for anything, or has significant advantages over AST or SCH? NO.

WHMs have the best single target dps as well as significantly less ramp up time than SCH.
WHMs have the best aoe burst potential (at the expense of sustainability).
WHMs have the best aoe HPS potential bar none.
WHMs have the biggest aoe range.

Gordias played to this beautifully, healing A1S and A3S as an AST was horrible, missing someone with helios risked a wipe at times during progression. Creator is the polar opposite and just doesn't require any of the kit WHMs bring to the table. I can think of 1 point in the entire tier where I missed Cure 3's HPS throughput nor were there any points where Medica II's was missed. This is more of a content issue than any intrinsic fault with the job itself.

The elephant in the room here is (the ironically named) balance. As things appear at the moment, 4.0 is going be a godsend for WHMs personal DPS and whilst it's clearly not going to make up for balance in a raid setting, I don't feel that it's a 'liability' at all. If the content deems to reward a WHMs strengths then it'll be right back in the mix.