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    Saraphin's Avatar
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    Dante Haiwindo
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by JararoNatsu View Post
    Joined the Forums just so I could add my name to this thread.

    It is ridiculous to me that anyone thought that these changes would be a good idea. Take away what little utility the Job already has, force players to expend Cross-Role slots on skills that are pivotal to the Job, and add abilities that are gated behind BOTH low RNG chance as well as overhealing (a la spamming Cure I/II).
    And didn't you know? you don't always get them...and if the person you're healing is at FULL HP, the lily proc chance is apparently 0% so it's not just overhealing, it's "let's just cure spam, because otherwise i can't do anything, Medica 2? Regen? nah, cure 1. all the way, unless cure 2 procs. because otherwise, no lily possibility"
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    Edda Eglantine
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    Botanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Saraphin View Post
    And didn't you know? you don't always get them...and if the person you're healing is at FULL HP, the lily proc chance is apparently 0%
    Do you have a source on this? I'd love to see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fantasticm View Post
    Do you have a source on this? I'd love to see it.
    it was talked about in many of the Media Weekend Videos (look up Mister Happy's) and he also discussed it on his stream the first day the Embargo ended. it was a big disappointment.

    he discussed that he couldn't get lillies to Proc on someone at Full Health, no matter how much he tried.
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    Chiami Jishin
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    Adding my voice as well. I have been WHM my entire Eorzean career, period. I AM one of those "pure healers" at heart, but I am also a team player -- like any good gamer in MMOs. That means I heal but good dps and good utility are also important in this game. I even leveled all those dps and by now also tanking ONLY so that I could become a better WHM by understanding the other jobs truly from the inside and intuitively (by having experienced them myself). Things like timing my heals and stuns and everything as perfectly as possible for the tank (e.g. Holy stun while DRK is in blood price? BAD!), giving what little utility I have to the DPS when needed, positioning myself tactically the best way depending on the other jobs present and their typical patterns of movement, you name it.

    I won't go over the 50 shades of clusterf*** done to WHM, everyone else already has pointed them out here again and again.

    Now I am going through the 4 stages of grief and will spend the remaining days til SB to force-level AST from current 45 to 60 because it does almost everything "typical WHM" equal or better than WHM come SB. Thing is... I DO NOT LIKE AST, cause I hate RNG in heals/buffs (and proactive SCH is 100% not my style of healing). But with all the clobbering done to WHM you are a fool if you still play white mage, stunting your own performance levels for the sake of... what?

    SE got my money and I will keep playing til my paid-for subscription is up, or at least til I am done with MSQ (cause I am curious). Then I will see if they give us back a WHM design that is worth playing or if I can make peace with AST (unlikely...). Otherwise I will unsub for good, most likely.

    Well done, SE. You totally massacred WHM you claimed to be your "iconic healer" and with it any joy and anticipation I had for Stormblood. Now I am awaiting it with a pretty miserable feeling and cling to the small sliver of hope that you will fix this massive failure before I lose any interest in FFXIV, because going DPS or tank instead as my main just won't cut it for me in the long run

    That's not how you keep people subscribed.
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    Last edited by Chiami; 06-02-2017 at 07:54 AM.
    Non-native speaker of English so forgive any butchering of grammar or vocabulary you may find in my posts.

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    Tamsus Sostas
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    I hope you fix this SE.
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    Shiru Elysia
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    Moogle
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    There were a lot of topic on the white mage changes.
    I think the community has told his opinion and SE will definitly make some adjustments. Maybe not for the release, but soon after.
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    Sharl Llyntine
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keridwyn View Post
    . But now...all I can hope is that potency and proc rate is adjusted before the class goes live.
    The worse part about it is, it's not something that can be fixed with just potency increases or even proc rates. Unless it procs off of more commonly used heals like Medicas, regens and DPS spells, it's still going to be just as bad. The entire system is flawed because it's designed to force you to spam direct heals in a game where hardcasting cures over and over is a sign on a bad WHM.
    And then, after all that work, all you get is a 15% single target shield, and a aoe that needs 3 stacks of ANOTHER RNG buff to even reach it's full potential.

    Why lock heals under RNG gates? It's not even particularly strong heals.


    You know what it feels like? It feels like SE gave up on WHM being raid relevant and just gave them dominance in dungeons, while they balance AST/SCH around raid content instead.
    I'll hate this so much if it's true. For WHM to be permanently kicked out of the raiding lineup because SE couldn't be a bit more creative or simply drop the faulty idea of a pure healer...
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    Last edited by Exiled_Tonberry; 06-02-2017 at 10:17 AM.

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    Lufie Newleaf
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    Ragnarok
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    Monk Lv 100
    Give WHM a stance that changes the effect of most of their spells, so it's like having twice as many. Asylum becomes a damage-dealing circle to place under enemies. Medica II's heal-over-time effect is replaced an esuna effect or something. You can think of alternate stance effects for lots of things. Put in some kind of utility like buffing the Direct Hit rate of the party / buffing Tenacity of the tanks, just some kind of support that isn't identical to what the other heal jobs are doing.
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    Nanaki Naki
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 90
    If someone does level WHM here in Stormblood, could you point out if WHM Stormblood's storyline is just as terrible as Heavensward? Thank You.
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    Imbri Undinare
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    Kujata
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Niroken View Post
    If someone does level WHM here in Stormblood, could you point out if WHM Stormblood's storyline is just as terrible as Heavensward? Thank You.
    Last time you healed the dragon to death! Now... you must heal the entire army to death.... TO GROW YOUR LILIES!!! Even though now they'd be pushing up the daisies, BUT LILIES!
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