Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Exiled_Tonberry]

And if they give almost all nice WHM skills to the other healers but don't give WHM anything else but pure healing, why would anyone keep playing WHM? People don't want WHM already. I thought they would do something AGAINST that, not make it even worse.

It's a really weird move on their part which makes me think they must have given WHM something really good. But I just can't see it.
First of all, the lilies seem to build only during healing, which is already bad because most healers slap on regens and keep dpsing. So we'll only benefit from our new abilities as we heal.
Then, I really didn't notice any speed increase at max lilies, which makes me think the increase is negligible. We'll see in the coming days, but right now it looks like WHM was completely screwed.

[Limonia]

First of all, the lilies seem to build only during healing, which is already bad because most healers slap on regens and keep dpsing. So we'll only benefit from our new abilities as we heal.

Oh, I didn't even notice that part, I only watched the WHM video once. But if that's true, it's even worse. People would just overheal like mad only to get the buff. So WHM will probably be even worse off than we think it will be.

I really like the aesthetics of WHM, the nature and holy aspect of it and the weapons (I rather have a magic cane than a book or space stuff), but well, I'll probably play AST then. I already play it more than WHM now. I'll still level WHM first, just to see how bad it will be. xD

I really wonder... if the devs hate WHM so much, why not remove it completely? What use is there to have two healers with various abilities and one healer that has nothing interesting aside from heals?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Oh, I didn't even notice that part, I only watched the WHM video once. But if that's true, it's even worse. People would just overheal like mad only to get the buff. So WHM will probably be even worse off than we think it will be.

I really like the aesthetics of WHM, the nature and holy aspect of it and the weapons (I rather have a magic cane than a book or space stuff), but well, I'll probably play AST then. I already play it more than WHM now. I'll still level WHM first, just to see how bad it will be. xD

I really wonder... if the devs hate WHM so much, why not remove it completely? What use is there to have two healers with various abilities and one healer that has nothing interesting aside from heals?

They don't hate White Mage. Unfortunately though, the devs don't balance around the meta and keep insisting on having a "pure healer" when even their most recent change to Cleric effectively makes all three hybrids. Now... a pure healer could actually work in this game if it were made stronger at its one specialty than its counterparts. If the devs balance around that philosophy finally, the healers may balance out.

[Tint]

They don't hate White Mage. Unfortunately though, the devs don't balance around the meta and keep insisting on having a "pure healer" when even their most recent change to Cleric effectively makes all three hybrids. Now... a pure healer could actually work in this game if it were made stronger at its one specialty than its counterparts. If the devs balance around that philosophy finally, the healers may balance out.

we had exactly that at the start of 3.0. but then all the ASTs were whining that they couldn't heal as good as a WHM, they got buffed and what are they doing now? right: using the increased healing potency to stay longer in cleric since they don't even need that much healing power. i agree that the cards needed a buff, but the healing potency was fine.

[Seredeelfer]

New toon on the block here and looking at these changes I’m concerned about the future of WHM in progression raiding. While much is yet unknown, I have limited time between now and June 16 to accomplish my FF14 goals meaning I would need to adjust my in-game priorities should a switch to AST be advisable. Which leads to my questions:

1. What was your Static's healing comp for A12S progression?
2. What was the rationale for that choice?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

we had exactly that at the start of 3.0. but then all the ASTs were whining that they couldn't heal as good as a WHM, they got buffed and what are they doing now? right: using the increased healing potency to stay longer in cleric since they don't even need that much healing power. i agree that the cards needed a buff, but the healing potency was fine.

At 3.0, Astro was trash but the buffs to its healing potency even before 3.4 helped give it an edge. People just stubbornly refused to play it until the mega buff. The devs now either need to commit to making Astro a hybrid or weakening its support or White Mage will be DoA.

New toon on the block here and looking at these changes I’m concerned about the future of WHM in progression raiding. While much is yet unknown, I have limited time between now and June 16 to accomplish my FF14 goals meaning I would need to adjust my in-game priorities should a switch to AST be advisable. Which leads to my questions:

1. What was your Static's healing comp for A12S progression?
2. What was the rationale for that choice?

It depends largely on your goals. If you raid more casually and aren't concerned with a fast clear, White Mage will be fine. I know plenty of people who subbed in one for their groups. If you aim to kill Omega within the fight month or so, Astro made prog that much easier. Of course, this is based on Creator. If you are seriously considering swapping, I'd level both and see how things go. Savage doesn't drop for another month after Stormblood. We'll inevitably have people theorycrafting long before then.

[Skye_]

At 3.0, Astro was trash but the buffs to its healing potency even before 3.4 helped give it an edge. People just stubbornly refused to play it until the mega buff. The devs now either need to commit to making Astro a hybrid or weakening its support or White Mage will be DoA.

AST wasnt trash other than the cards needing a buff. Their healing MAYBE needed one buff. The problem is SCH's healing with AST's did not or did not want to adjust their play style to healing with someone other than WHM. The SCHs should have adjusted, lowering their personal DPS, but its made up for with AST dps buff.

[Ariane]

we had exactly that at the start of 3.0. but then all the ASTs were whining that they couldn't heal as good as a WHM, they got buffed and what are they doing now? right: using the increased healing potency to stay longer in cleric since they don't even need that much healing power. i agree that the cards needed a buff, but the healing potency was fine.

AST at the start of 3.0 was so bad, it could barely heal or sometimes not even able to keep a tank alive who pulled everything in "casual" dungeons, while the SCH/WHM could do heal the same pulls easily and DPS at the same time. Tanks pull big and don't even ask. You can't have a healer that bad. A big part of the fix to this was giving AST divine seal in synastry, which why I don't get why people thought divine seal was unique to WHM and they are no loosing this uniqueness. Also this probably explains why divine seal is going to the cross role actions. SE wants to make sure they don't repeat that mistake they did with AST again.