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    Player Yuyuka3's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiryuu View Post
    Well we kinda need to keep those since SCH and AST both have shield equivalents of their own. Question will be-- will they give us the old Graniteskin trait back... probably not T_T;
    We apparently get a shield from the job action bar (the flower thingy), but how often that one can be used is still open. Not often, would be my guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunaxia View Post
    WHM is unwanted in most serious content right now because of our complete lack of utility compared to the other two healers.
    Just in theory.

    When looking into fflogs creator savage clears (I only looked into the old ones, not the diadem and echo resets), the amount of whitemages is still between AST (the lowest one) and SCH (the highest one).

    So just by looking into statistics, there was no reason for SE to change much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarstenS View Post
    Just in theory.

    When looking into fflogs creator savage clears (I only looked into the old ones, not the diadem and echo resets), the amount of whitemages is still between AST (the lowest one) and SCH (the highest one).

    So just by looking into statistics, there was no reason for SE to change much.
    hm i dont see any whm in these groups..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynca View Post
    hm i dont see any whm in these groups..
    Then you did it wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarstenS View Post
    Just in theory.

    When looking into fflogs creator savage clears (I only looked into the old ones, not the diadem and echo resets), the amount of whitemages is still between AST (the lowest one) and SCH (the highest one).

    So just by looking into statistics, there was no reason for SE to change much.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...of_a12s_party/

    This analysis suggests otherwise. Scholar remained fairly consistent throughout Heavensward while Astro pulled ahead significantly the higher parse percentile climbed. Checking overall rankings on FFLogs based on parse uploaded, White Mage averaged approximately half their other healer counterparts through Creator; a substantially drop from Midas where they averaged more than double Astro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...of_a12s_party/

    This analysis suggests otherwise. Scholar remained fairly consistent throughout Heavensward while Astro pulled ahead significantly the higher parse percentile climbed. Checking overall rankings on FFLogs based on parse uploaded, White Mage averaged approximately half their other healer counterparts through Creator; a substantially drop from Midas where they averaged more than double Astro.
    Yes they dropped. But when you count all pages of all 3 healers in "Standard Comp" (not the later ones as these don't matter for anything), the Whitemage is inbetween both.

    Numers of SE own statistics will be similiar and these numbers are the base SE will make their decicions. That was also the reason they said on EU Fanfest "Healers are balanced well". Its not about how good they are. Its just about how many of them get used by ppl.
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    You don't get to be a pure healer and have utility, that's not how balance works.

    You get crappy healing and lots of utility or you get good healing and crappy utility, pick one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adventica6 View Post
    You don't get to be a pure healer and have utility, that's not how balance works.

    You get crappy healing and lots of utility or you get good healing and crappy utility, pick one.
    ......and this is why people are complaining, as this seems to be the Devs views. And it's completely wrong for their own game - unless 4.0 has sweeping changes to damage received.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adventica6 View Post
    You don't get to be a pure healer and have utility, that's not how balance works.

    You get crappy healing and lots of utility or you get good healing and crappy utility, pick one.
    AST Benefic 1 & 2 heals for the same amount as WHM Cure 1 & 2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adventica6 View Post
    You don't get to be a pure healer and have utility, that's not how balance works.

    You get crappy healing and lots of utility or you get good healing and crappy utility, pick one.
    Except AST and SCH don't have crappy healing. That's the entire point.
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