Anyone else think the cap of 900 for tomes should be the future cap?

[bswpayton]

I can see what you mean, but I still don't see the problem in the 450 cap.
Yes, you are somehow slowed down.
Yes, you maybe can't gear up all jobs at once.
I get all of that, but it just doesn't seem to be a problem.
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(Now if we go back to only getting 450 a week, given it takes 5,760 tomes to gear one class, so 11,520 tomes are needed to gear two classes, at 450 a week it would take 25.6 weeks to gear two classes vs 12.8 at 900 a week.)

This was the math that someone did , 25.6 weeks is insane and ridiculous considering all the job choices you have like if you think thats a fast time you have more free time on your hands than I do. And the main reason for me to want all jobs leveled as Ive stated I do not play a one job fits all in content if I did that Its possible I may have never cleared some stuff.

For example if the first extreme primal in stormblood is sophia type even tho I main tanks I would prefer not to tank a boss like Sophia because its more than just the boss I cant even focus on the tethers in there. Something like a9s on the other hand Id prefer to tank that, or thordan extreme other things are up in the air. But I play jobs not only because I enjoy variety and I think SE did a great job , but I play different jobs because it helps me to clear content based on whats going on in that said content. Sure I could clear it all on the same role but which one would be the easiest to learn sense Im playing with others etc.

So its more than just having all jobs on the same ilvl its having the option to bring in the best job I can for whatever content Im doiing. Like I know many a healer friend that mains healers they are always on their astro or whm, but if they are doing more challenging content they go in as a dps because they dont want that pressure of healing something they may not be ready to heal. You would honestly think the way people on this thread or talking that they would want to dismantle the job system and just play one job only.


I have a mix of all gear some pieces just honestly suck alot of diadem gear is trash so If I could I would probably replace them with with shire stuff. As it stands now my jobs lowest ilvl is 238 so Im well on my way to having all to 260. Im not really concerned about now because as of now gear isnt that important Im more concerned about after storm blood hits and tryin to jump into content then and being forced into one role. Thats not how I play the game and it shouldn't even be asked of me when the game gives you 15 jobs but expects you to only gear one thats bad for business to me.

[bswpayton]

If it's not about "best gear", then dungeon loot plus a couple of tome accessories will let you access the most recent EX/Savage content and then you don't .

Id like to see that in writing I dont see how the devs wouldnt want people to play as many jobs as they felt otherwise why even have the job system. All tanks have one function tank its nothing to switch in and out between them, same as healers the goal is to heal and to dps when you can. Playing a dps in this game is basically going on youtube and finding a good rotation now you can pretty much take your dps job into nearly all content. So I dont really understand how you could say the devs didnt want you to play as many jobs as you want when they pretty much share the same concept.

[raela]

That is so I can play up to 4 or more classes more freely. It's not cause I want easy to obtain gear, its not cause I want the max ilvl without doing hard content, its not cause I want to use 4 classes while raiding or an easy way to get gear without raiding.

And we are saying in that case, the only thing actually stopping you from using your other jobs with a lower ilvl is you, not the game.

[AmeliaVerves]

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I see what you mean and of course 25.6 weeks is a long period of time, but again, there are more ways for gearing up than just tomes.
As I mentioned before there are at least 5 ways of gearing your classes:

• Tomestones
• Alex NM
• 24-man-Raid
• Dungeon drops
• EX-Primals (for weapons only)

Since you plan to equip your jobs with Tome-only-gear I figure out you are not caring about 2nd/3rd stats, so it would be fine to take any gear you can get.
Some of the named possible ways are not up straight from the beginning of an even patch, true, but they are still there at some point.
With a mixture of all the possibilities you will get your classes in a much quicker time geared and they will have the ilvl needed to enter every content. (Remember, even A12s just needs an ilvl of 255 )

And we are saying in that case, the only thing actually stopping you from using your other jobs with a lower ilvl is you, not the game.

Exactly this.
You don't need ilvl260 to enter any content atm. It is simply not needed!

[seekified]

Id like to see that in writing I dont see how the devs wouldnt want people to play as many jobs as they felt otherwise why even have the job system. All tanks have one function tank its nothing to switch in and out between them, same as healers the goal is to heal and to dps when you can. Playing a dps in this game is basically going on youtube and finding a good rotation now you can pretty much take your dps job into nearly all content. So I dont really understand how you could say the devs didnt want you to play as many jobs as you want when they pretty much share the same concept.

Playing a job and having it in endgame gear are two completely different things. You're essentially saying that you refuse to play jobs that aren't in full Diabolic/Shire/Alexandrian gear at this point, which frankly is ridiculous. As I've said, you can get into and be competitive in all content in the game even if you're in mostly i245 dungeon gear with a few i260 pieces thrown in. The only thing stopping you here is you.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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Poorly worded in retrospect, I'll admit. Nevertheless, the crux of the argument is putting mounts in everything as a replacement to tomestone grinding won't achieve the desired effect. Incentives inevitably have deprecating value. The easier and less prestige they are, the less likely people are to bother. Taking the story into context, you have do it. The incentive isn't a mount, but unlocking content and/or raids. Likewise, your example with Savage doesn't properly equate because it isn't the mount people are after. They want gear. Does this apply to everyone? No. But it's a failed incentive if the vast majority of people aren't concerned by it. Hence why shoehorning mounts into everything as a replacement to the tomestone grind we do now won't work.

(Now if we go back to only getting 450 a week, given it takes 5,760 tomes to gear one class, so 11,520 tomes are needed to gear two classes, at 450 a week it would take 25.6 weeks to gear two classes vs 12.8 at 900 a week.)

This was the math that someone did , 25.6 weeks is insane and ridiculous considering all the job choices you have like if you think thats a fast time you have more free time on your hands than I do. And the main reason for me to want all jobs leveled as Ive stated I do not play a one job fits all in content if I did that Its possible I may have never cleared some stuff.

That applies only if you do nothing else except run dungeons and EX Primals, none of which require nearly as high level gear. You can also omit weapons and settle on primal ones for your alt jobs. PotD made getting those even easier. If you want to gear up multiple jobs more quickly, you do have another option: Savage. Like Seekified said, playing a job and having full 260 or 270 are two entirely different things.

[matteoxyz]

What stopped you from enjoying more jobs that didn't have i260 tomestone gear? Crafted gear is only 10 iLvls lower, after all.

It's not cheap to get a full set of that though.

[bswpayton]

Poorly worded in retrospect, I'll admit. Nevertheless, the crux of the argument is putting mounts in everything as a replacement to tomestone

The thing is it depends on your motivation for raiding I simply will raid just to prove to myself that I'm skilled enough to do the content the gear isn't any incentive to me at all its a plus. But not why I do the content bis doesn't really hold any weight to me as long as it isnt trash gear. Because bis doesn't even matter in raids itself because if you cleared it before you got the gear from the raid then it obviously wasnt something you needed to beat the content, and everything else doesnt even require such gear. Like for instance if I had all shire 270 now and I get some drops for a tank Im not even gona click need on it more than likely because I dont need it. And whats going on now isnt the norm Its a ton of rng with raiding just as bad as mount drops same reason that once I got the peaguas from diadum the 280 weapon wasnt even a thought in my mind at all and havent been back sense.

Tomes gear is straight forward no rng involved you get your tomes from doing your content and you reap the rewards for it , I mean if its a crime to not be a fan of rng then I guess Im guilty of that because knowing that its a below 50 percent chance of gettin something then I will likely find other means. So raiding to me doesnt mean gear it means testing my skills, I dont have to farm it once I have cleared it when I have a much more straight forward way of obtaining 100 percent gear. And I am 100 percent fine with where my jobs are at now my bard ilvl is 238 which is my lowest atm and will be 260 by stormblood my issue is I have never played the game in a way that I had to prioritize one job and many other players haven't either.

The Ops post is asking for this in stormblood not talking about the current system even tho people keep referring to it. Like I said I play different jobs based on the content not because I am stuck on having a main if I can heal something better than I can tank it then Id rather have the option to change if need be I dont want to be shoehorned and put into a corner. I started maybe a year after hw and have always had the option to have every job around the same ilvl: 50 all jobs could be 120, 60 all jobs could be 230 with lore gear and now all jobs can be above 230. I dont want to be put in a situation where I am gearing up my job with tomes gear and my other job I use just as much is stuck in vendor trash gear because of a 450 cap. So the difference is you speak of raid gear which is rng and tomes gear which is a straight shoot are players bad for just wanting something that is a 100 percent return on investment?

[Kaethra]

I'd rather have no more tomestones at all, the formula got old 3 years ago.

I'd rather not get screwed over by the RNG system. That formula got old 18 years ago.

[Tanathya]

I'd rather not get screwed over by the RNG system. That formula got old 18 years ago.

Nice bad paraphrasing, as I didn't imply that at all, even if that's something I'd rather have.