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Neither of which were very popular. Pharos had to get nerfed because people whined about having to deal with mechanics, and Arboretum, while beautiful, was also largely hated. As much as I'd adore having fun actually dangerous dungeons, I know it'll never happen with the speedrun crowd calling the shots.
Yeah, pretty much this. Any time mobs get mechanics, they get figured out how to get cheesed or enough complaining is done that they were done away with to some degree. Oddly enough, I don't really recall the speedrunners calling for the nerfs so much as the people that simply couldn't handle the mechanics. Mostly, the speedrunners complain about there being gates and forced stops or them having to deal with people that simply don't want to even try to pick up the pace a little more. Generally speaking, if you're speedrunning, you know your class well enough to get large pulls done and can handle movement and mechanics that both of those instances demanded....