Unofficial Census 2016 for FFXIV

[Brian_]

The difference though (which many people gloss over) is that while rewards in FFXIV are more quickly "obsoleted" because of the game's vertical design, the tradeoff is that none of these rewards are really that difficult to get in the first place.

The relic weapon is a huge grind, for sure. But is it really hard to get? No. If you play regularly and do minimal activities (such as roulette), you essentially get the relic for free. Nothing in this game is nearly as grindtastic as what we endured in old-school MMOs like FFXI.

Personally, I'm perfectly fine with this tradeoff. Being 13 years older and significantly busier than I was when I took up XI, I'd rather play a game nowadays that didn't require the focus of a second job just to be "viable" or whatever.

And yes, this will result in a playerbase that has more freedom to subscribe/unsubscribe periodically without the fear of being permanently unable to "catch up." But if SE can do a better job of giving people reasons to stick around -- which, in my opinion, means an endgame scene that's more diversified than just raiding -- then we'll see a more consistent and lively playerbase between patches and expansions.

You think the rewards from A8S are not hard to get? We're talking about content that requires some groups easily over 100 hours of progression to clear.

[Istaru]

You think the rewards from A8S are not hard to get? We're talking about content that requires some groups easily over 100 hours of progression to clear.

Rewards roughly equal to or better than savage rewards are easily available now. And in about 4-6 weeks, all the loot will be obsoleted and the minion can be obtained much easier too.

[odintius]

You think the rewards from A8S are not hard to get? We're talking about content that requires some groups easily over 100 hours of progression to clear.

Nah, I'm sure he think its hard just isn't worth the time for or effort for such a small reward gear wise well beyond the I like the challenge of it part. For me im not going to waste 7 other peoples time if i think the reward for it wasn't such a bore well to keep repeating it for others. /shrug