Please Add no bonus option for PF

[Divine_Intervention]

I'd like to remind you I made a learning party or used Duty Finder instead of sneaking into a party specifically made for farms. Also, I'm not speaking for the whole community when I said they want a free carry, and it's ridiculous to make that assumption, but anyone new who joins a no bonus party is in the wrong here, period. End of. Done.

Used duty finder for content you can't go into via duty finder? cool.
and i've seen groups with almost full *insert current difficult content* loot, who most often are terrible in their own right.

Is an option to automatically block someone with bonus viable - probably, but will add to the already toxic community feeling.
Is every person with bonus a hinderance to your group - hell no.

Give me a bonus member with skill over someone with no bonus but also no clue any day.

[Andrea]

Give me a bonus member with skill over someone with no bonus but also no clue any day.

The people that want this have no problem with people who haven't cleared it, if they send them a tell with what experience they have in my case I've seen the majority be accepted in and things go ok.

Its a way to speed up getting a group together in the first place that hopefully doesn't fall at the first attempt because someone was new to the fight or didnt have the experience and joined anyway.

We know there are those without a clear that have the skill and know what they are doing to clear it, we aren't saying there isn't. But if you're seriously trying to say that there is a huge crowd without a clear that have something on farm status I don't know what to tell you, you're insane if thats the case.

[Divine_Intervention]

We know there are those without a clear that have the skill and know what they are doing to clear it, we aren't saying there isn't. But if you're seriously trying to say that there is a huge crowd without a clear that have something on farm status I don't know what to tell you, you're insane if thats the case.

Is an option to automatically block someone with bonus viable - probably, but will add to the already toxic community feeling.
Is every person with bonus a hinderance to your group - hell no.

See other posts where i've clearly stated people with bonus should ask if they can join, not just hop in.

I've made my opinion clear on this topic, other people have made theirs clear. I'm for and against it, but i'm not going to use anymore of my daily post limit on this topic xD . Take care o/

[Andrea]

I've made my opinion clear on this topic, other people have made theirs clear. I'm for and against it, but i'm not going to use anymore of my daily post limit on this topic xD . Take care o/

And I respect your opinion. Im not here to force people to my opinion.

And I agree the post limit is a highly stupid thing on these forums.

[Cold_Raven]

And I agree the post limit is a highly stupid thing on these forums.

There's a post limit?

*screws self*

Ha ha...

[Whiteroom]

I've made my opinion clear on this topic, other people have made theirs clear. I'm for and against it, but i'm not going to use anymore of my daily post limit on this topic xD . Take care o/

Can I pose this to you. I understand that you feel that this will make the community more toxic. But I think this is a knee jerk reaction.

Is it not the people who sneak in whos actions create toxicity? People do not like seeing the bonus in a farm because they understand what it means, in a farm you know all the mechanics (or at least you are supposed to) from constant trial and error wiping until you have it memorized. They have seen the wipes and wipes that come with clearing and getting to the farming stage. So when someone sneaks in for a clear, it is a dirty play and will justify a reaction.

This is what creates the toxicity towards bonus players in farms. If you remove the option for it to be created, you alleviate the problem.

An added bonus is that it may help spurr people into actually using PF to create thier own parties, giving more life to PF.

People always seem to think that this suggestion is barring people from content, and we need to get past this concept that they can't use PF to create their own groups. I'm currently struggling with sephex since I don't have a static, and I turn down all suggestion that we ditch my progression party for that farm one two slots down PF.

[Singularity]

Is an option to automatically block someone with bonus viable - probably, but will add to the already toxic community feeling.

I would actually expect this to reduce the toxic community feeling. Consider how it is now: Farm group is made, bonus player sneaks in, eventually the instance starts and the bonus message comes up. The party often at this point starts a witch hunt for the bonus, creating an air of suspicion. If the player is found out, he/she is kicked and possibly blacklisted, earning the ire of up to seven other people (plus however many others they may tell), while the bonus player feels hurt and possibly humiliated. If the player is not found out, the group may simply disband and start over, generating resentment among everyone present.
On the other hand, with a filter, the bonus player never joins at all, the others never meet him/her. No witch hunt and no blacklisting.

[Lambdafish]

I would actually expect this to reduce the toxic community feeling.

You also missed the part where this would stop players expecting to clear through farm parties and we would see more learning and clear parties crop up. In an ideal world this would create a bigger pool of players who can't clear, and they can work together to get the clear.

One potential issue I see (which SE for the love of god, don't design a system like this, it's dumb), is if the option is available to people who haven't cleared, i.e. a person can make a clear party and only make it so you can join if you have beaten the content. This needs to be accessible only if the party leader has themselves cleared.

[WinterLuna]

Used duty finder for content you can't go into via duty finder? cool.

There is a such thing as not clearing content as soon as it is released and then learning and clearing it later on in Duty Finder. I haven't even attempted a serious run of Thordan Ex yet. Keep trying to make invalid points against me though.

Nobody said all players with a bonus are a hindrance. But some are. All this is doing is stopping that from happening. If they want to join the group they can still /tell the leader and say they're new. There's no issue here other than you trying to create one.