Please Add no bonus option for PF

[Odett]

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I've cleared every single EX primal dating back to Garuda EX all the way to Sephirot EX within its released patch window without a static, so no, I'm not wrong about that point, and I know many who have.

Yes, not all players who cleared content are good in said content, we've been talking about that for the past 5 pages or so, but someone who has cleared simply has higher odds of knowing the fight than someone who has not; that's not a hard concept to grasp. Furthermore, having a "no bonus" farm group in PF and seeing a bonus when you enter is just downright annoying and will cause friction within the group because someone is being dishonest. Many people know a fight and have reached enrage and are capable of clearing, but that's where talking to the PF leader comes in. Of course I'm going to be suspicious if you join a farm party with a bonus and fail to communicate anything, because more than likely, there is a very good reason for that, and it's often negative.

I'm a static leader, FYI, so forming a static isn't "too hard" for me. I've been in statics from BCoB in 2.0 to Midas Savage, but I'm not going to make my group run Sephirot EX countless times because I like to play all the jobs and want all the weapons.I see that as something I can do in my own time, and focus static nights around progression because we have limited play-window. On top of that, many people can't form or join statics due to their work schedule and RL situation, so yes, the notion that you need to form a static for something that doesn't require one (and the proof is there because you CAN clear EX primals in PF as well as farm when people aren't being dishonest) IS silly.

It's a waste of time because the offered solution just doesn't make any significant impact to the problem.

You have absolutely no way of knowing this because it's never been implemented. We don't know how it's going to affect things until we try it.

[Cold_Raven]

On top of that, many people can't form or join statics due to their work schedule and RL situation, so yes, the notion that you need to form a static for something that doesn't require one (and the proof is there because you CAN clear EX primals in PF as well as farm when people aren't being dishonest) IS silly.

It's not silly. It's difficult. Just because forming a static is difficult, and possible too difficult for many... doesn't mean we should put a block option in on PF that will not prevent people who are dishonest about their abilities from joining up anyway.

A static may not be the only thing that prevents dishonest people from joining your group.
A static is also not easier than a block option in PF.
But it's a better solution than the one you're offering because we know that what you're offering won't make a difference.

You have absolutely no way of knowing this because it's never been implemented. We don't know how it's going to affect things until we try it.

I know that dishonest people still join PFs without a bonus showing up because dishonest people still join PFs without a bonus showing up. Have you tried PF before for latest EX content? People joining farm groups who are not ready for farm groups happens with or without the bonus announcement all the time.

You're the one who wants to implement a block without showing that the block will actually have any significant impact. While flying in the face of the current facts that do show that the message is irrelevant when trying to find players that are honest about their abilities before joining a PF.

[Launched]

But it's a better solution than the one you're offering because we know that what you're offering won't make a difference.

It makes a big difference if it stops just one person that hasn't cleared the fight from joining and wasting your time trying to figure out who it is.

[Cold_Raven]

It makes a big difference if it stops just one person that hasn't cleared the fight from joining and wasting your time trying to figure out who it is.

It also makes a big different if it blocks just one person who would have been an amazing asset to your team from joining up.

[Launched]

It also makes a big different if it blocks just one person who would have been an amazing asset to your team from joining up.

Except as soon as the party sees a bonus message, they'd leave the instance and kick that person anyway, then have to put the PF back up and hope the next person to join doesn't do the same thing.

[Aquaslash]

It also makes a big different if it blocks just one person who would have been an amazing asset to your team from joining up.

Stop everything you're saying and think about what I'm about to ask you very carefully.

Why would a person who hasn't cleared join a FARM party?

By definition, someone who has something on farm has cleared multiple times. If you don't have a clear, you literally don't meet the requirements for a farming party.

Furthermore, you and all of your ilk have yet to answer why these oh so skilled players can't make their own parties for clearing

[Andrea]

Furthermore, you and all of your ilk have yet to answer why these oh so skilled players can't make their own parties for clearing

Oh they have, they just keep saying that sometimes it takes to long to form parties. As if those with a clear all logged on to be magically in parties.