Please Add no bonus option for PF

[Odett]

Remind me again what *you* had before you got lucky enough with a group? Oh yeah.. bonus. Were you lazy, expected a carry and or had no knowledge, and if so, did this all magically change the instant you got your achievement?

We didn't get "lucky". We learned the fight. We made learning and clear groups of our own, or join others, to be comfortable with the fight and understand all the mechanics as well as how to deal with them. I also could have sent tells to a farming PF saying that I've been to enrage but haven't cleared, but as a tank, it will be clear when I am messing up and to kick me if I do so. You know what I didn't do? Sneak into a farm group and stay quiet or lie about my bonus.

This option is a waste of time.

Yes, it's possible for a newcomer to not know the fight and screw up.
But even with this option it's still possible for a carried-clearer to enter and screw up your fight anyway (and they are more prevalent, if you've ever done these fights before.)

The amount of anguish this option would solve is insignificant.

The solution to this problem (grouping with unknowns without knowing their skill level), is for the starter of the PF to form a static.

That's what statics are for.

This option is not what PF is for.

Yes, you are allowed to have a goal of clearing content with similarly skilled people and ignore everyone else on the server.

But the only reasonable path to that goal is a static. Every other suggestion like this does not make that path easier, it makes it harder (you're meeting less new people who could be a great addition to your static).

It's a waste of development time.

For the second time in this post, you don't need a static to clear EX primals and people who have cleared it before shouldn't be kept from farming because others are dishonest in their ability to down content. This is not a game design flaw, but a flaw in the playerbase and how such a huge number think it's ok to be dishonest. The notion that I have to get my static together (or find a static if I don't have one, or don't because I haven't the time for one) every time I want to clear non-Midas savage content is rather silly. You don't get to decide what belongs and doesn't belong in PF when farming in PF is possible, and only ruined when dishonest players join a farm group, whether it's people who've cleared who still don't know what they're doing, or joining and lying about your bonus instead of talking to the PF leader about it.

[Cold_Raven]

For the second time in this post, you don't need a static to clear EX primals and people who have cleared it before shouldn't be kept from farming because others are dishonest in their ability to down content.

Maybe you do need a static to clear EX primals. Perhaps you're wrong about that point.
However, you are exactly right about the problem.

The problem: Others are dishonest in their ability to down content.

Your proposed solution: Put a no-bonus block in PF. However, people who got a carry-clear (many, many people, more than will be blocked by not having a bonus) will still be able to be dishonest about their ability to down content and still get into your PF.

Therefore, your proposed solution does not fix the problem.
Therefore, your proposed solution is a waste of time.

My proposed solution: You should start a static and get to know your players and form a group of known abilities to down the content you want at the pace you want.

My solution solves the problem.
Yours does not.

The notion that I have to get my static together (or find a static if I don't have one, or don't because I haven't the time for one) every time I want to clear non-Midas savage content is rather silly.

No, it's not. In fact, it's exactly what MMO games are all about.
It's reasonable and totally expected of you.
If you're not able to use the people available to you in DF or PF to down any content at a pace you want, then form a static so you can down whatever content at a pace you want.

If "forming a static is too hard," perhaps you need to rethink the content. Maybe the content is harder than you think it is. Maybe you're just not getting along with any group of people, regardless of it being a static, PF or DF.

[WinterLuna]

Remind me again what *you* had before you got lucky enough with a group? Oh yeah.. bonus. Were you lazy, expected a carry and or had no knowledge, and if so, did this all magically change the instant you got your achievement?

I'd like to remind you I made a learning party or used Duty Finder instead of sneaking into a party specifically made for farms. Also, I'm not speaking for the whole community when I said they want a free carry, and it's ridiculous to make that assumption, but anyone new who joins a no bonus party is in the wrong here, period. End of. Done.

[Divine_Intervention]

I'd like to remind you I made a learning party or used Duty Finder instead of sneaking into a party specifically made for farms. Also, I'm not speaking for the whole community when I said they want a free carry, and it's ridiculous to make that assumption, but anyone new who joins a no bonus party is in the wrong here, period. End of. Done.

Used duty finder for content you can't go into via duty finder? cool.
and i've seen groups with almost full *insert current difficult content* loot, who most often are terrible in their own right.

Is an option to automatically block someone with bonus viable - probably, but will add to the already toxic community feeling.
Is every person with bonus a hinderance to your group - hell no.

Give me a bonus member with skill over someone with no bonus but also no clue any day.

[Synrin]

Oh at first I read DF and then I was like wait what....

But in PF, if a group is aiming to clear the content and not practice and wipe a million times, then you should just stay away and not be a burden. This isn't even about the bonus, it's about knowledge a lot of players don't have. There was a thread recently where a new guy, who had bonus and joined such a group, got kicked after a couple of wipes because they NOTICED. And he was not happy, even though he lied to get in in the first place. If you want to farm something, then your chain has to be strong, without weak links that will break and pull down the rest of the links that are holding it together perfectly. I just don't get some of the people here.. There are practice and clear/farm groups.. Is it so hard to tell the difference?

[Fynlar]

Because they're lazy? Because they get a free carry? Because they don't have to learn the fight and have others do it for them?

Right for some, but certainly not all accounts.

[Divine_Intervention]

i realise a fair few are definitely like that, but it's not quite right to broad brush an entire community because they have bonus. Personally if i have bonus for something but kno i can kill it, ill message the party lead to see if they mind me joining, if it's a no, i suck it up and get on with it.

But nope, not everyone in the game is those things listed purely because they bring bonus.

[Felis]

How about an option to remove the bonus for first timers instead of removing the first timers?

[Fynlar]

Anyone who is against this option is either,

A) Not understanding the purpose of it
or
B) Doesn't want to have the ability to be carried taken away.

Oh I understand the purpose just fine, thanks.

I just happen to think this is more of a matter of "check yourself" rather than anything SE should (or likely will) act upon. Because really, why would SE implement a feature that would just make it even harder for its playerbase to attempt the content that they create? It's not like the content has a terribly long lifespan as it is in a game like this, you know.

[Aquaslash]

Because really, why would SE implement a feature that would just make it even harder for its playerbase to attempt the content that they create?

But that's not what this feature would do. Guess what those people that need to learn or clear could, can, and should do?

Make.

Their.

Own.

PRACTICE PARTIES!

For Hydealyn's sake, WHY is this such a difficult concept?

99.99999% of the time, if you haven't cleared the content, you cannot farm it. It's really that simple. Do you people have any idea how BS the drop rates are on these mounts? Those seven people don't want to spend time training nublets trying to get a carry. RNGesus is hell enough.

Like seriously. I want good reasons right now that newcomers just simply cannot make their own parties and learn content with other like minded players?