Results 1 to 10 of 126

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Player
    Kabooa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    4,391
    Character
    Jace Ossura
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Artemiz View Post
    The part where you make out you take hate all the time on different jobs and blame the tank for it. It's your responsibility too yet you refuse to throttle back, you even apologise if the tank is undergeared meaning you do it to new tanks too. That's a bad DPS. For further information, read my previous post again

    Honestly, as a BLM main I could tank as much as I wanted and the tank wouldn't be able to do much about it, especially DF tanks. It's not about me being a bad ass, it's about working together and showing each other a little respect.
    No competent tank should lose threat to a responsible black mage.

    Being a responsible black mage doesn't mean throttling yourself because everything's orange. It means you you give a few seconds of leeway before going balls to the wall. The only tank that might have an issue with this is the Paladin. Dark Knights and Warriors have no excuse, assuming gear is equal.
    (0)

  2. #2
    Player
    Artemiz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    709
    Character
    Darwinian Origin
    World
    Twintania
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    No competent tank should lose threat to a responsible black mage.
    For the most part I completely agree with you, though it's worth pointing out the BLM opener can be pretty spicy and quelling strikes becomes mandatory at some point. The key word for me though is responsible, I was trying to point out that DPS also have a responsibility where hate is concerned. I can't just focus one mob with a RR enhanced Fire 4 rotation in an AoE pull and blame the tank when it causes problems, I can't pick a mob that the tank has clearly not focused on yet and pull it away and blame the tank. When playing my PLD I do see this a lot, in a pull of 3 mobs and both DPS pick a different one to go balls to the wall on, I can always use voke obviously but I'd argue the team synergy isn't exactly brilliant in that situation and could be better. What we end up with is two mobs dying slowly instead of one dying twice as fast, resulting in more work for both healer and tank.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    Being a responsible black mage doesn't mean throttling yourself because everything's orange. It means you you give a few seconds of leeway before going balls to the wall. The only tank that might have an issue with this is the Paladin. Dark Knights and Warriors have no excuse, assuming gear is equal.
    I'd say giving a few seconds leeway is throttling back to be honest. The point you make about gear (and skill) being equal is very important, an undergeared tank needs to be treated with kid gloves by a better geared DPS, especially if it's one of the big hitting burst types like BLM. As long as someone meets the minimum ilvl requirement for the instance and is obviously trying then I try to work with them and see their hate level as the ceiling I have to get close to but not go over. That to me is a good, responsible DPS.
    I mean sure, I don't like it when WAR's don't use Overpower or PLD's don't flash but the amount of tanks I come across that are that bad are quite rare and I use DF a lot, usually after the first pull (where hate can be a little messy) they get the picture and raise their game a bit. That said I'm not above spreading thunder around before going full AoE if they're really struggling with hate, or even sticking to single target if it's really that bad.
    (0)