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  1. #121
    Player
    JoelStrife's Avatar
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    Seth White
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygian View Post
    Oh god. The worst, most frustrating thing ever.

    And here I am with this work of art, this beautiful stained-glass-window of a pull just waiting to be gloriously AoE'd to holy-mother-of-hell-and-back-again, and now I've gotta step over it, shattering it, to babysit a childish, impatient DPS.

    There's a special place in hell for people that rob a DRK of his Sea Urchin spam like that.
    Great quote, abyssal drain is a thing of beauty on huge pulls.
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  2. #122
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    Jim_Berry's Avatar
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    Character
    Jim Berry
    World
    Malboro
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Februs View Post
    I can sympathize with this, even if just from more of any annoyance stand point. Dps can go AoE crazy or focus down targets all they want when I'm stopped and running my own rotation, but it's a different story if I haven't finished the pull yet.

    It can happen when a tank is approaching a pull with 2 or more sets. 9 times out of 10, this usually goes just fine, because most Dps are considerate enough to wait for the Tank to actually complete their pull before they start the heavy metal music. Unfortunately, sometimes you run into this one Dps who insists on going balls to the walls on the first target you touched before everything is in position. Instead of a nice, clean, efficient, and fast pull, you end up with the tank running to the next set, the mob chasing the tank, and "that dps" chasing the mob while they desperately try to upkeep their dps (which they typically fail at). If they pull hate, then the Tank has to turn the whole train around just to go backwards to save the squishy idiot who couldn't wait 2 seconds for you to settle everything into a nice orderly pile.

    The absolute worst cases of this are when the Dps in question stuns the mob you touched. You end up getting to the end of the pull, got everyone nice and lined up, and you're about to pop CoS .... and then you see that one mob way back in the distance who's still trying to catch up with the group cuz someone stunned him.

    Why do they do this? I dunno. It doesn't increase dps (it actually lowers it since it's unlikely they'll score positoinals or AoE's on a moving set of mobs), it doesn't work for the other dps (since mobs that are out of place get missed for AoE's), it hurt's the healers Mp pool (since a longer, less efficient, pull = more healing required), and reduces Tank enmity and mitigation (for the same reason that the healer's mp pool suffers).

    Thankfully, this is a rare flower in the garden of Dps players. I get players who apply DoT's and get the odd hit off on in-progress pulls all the time, but that special snowflake who thinks that it's a good idea to go throttle to the max before the tank has stopped moving is not as common. It's just a little irritating when you see that kind of short-sighted behavior, and not just to the tank (I've seen a smn bitch at a Mnk who did this, because their AoE's were consistently missing the targets he was pulling out of the group).
    I'll admit that I'm that NIN who will smack a pulled mob with Mutilate, but that's it. Afterwards, I hold all other attacks until I see the tank stop and/or plant his AoE (Scorn, Abyssal Drain, Steel Cyclone, etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    My post reduces more damage then parry does.
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  3. #123
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    Jim_Berry's Avatar
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    Jim Berry
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    Malboro
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    Ninja Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ruskie View Post
    Nope parry and block are only frontal.

    Quote Originally Posted by AniCelestine View Post
    Guess they have changed it then, we tested that for some progression in 2.1 I think it was and our pld was blocking while back turned to the boss
    I can say this...

    When I'm pulling mobs, I get hit. BUT....

    There's that one mob that hits me from behind during the pull while I'm running. This mob makes my character's head look in its' direction. That particular mob causes my PLD to Block to Parry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    My post reduces more damage then parry does.
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  4. #124
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    ProvidenceBreaker's Avatar
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    Character
    Aradia Moonfang
    World
    Seraph
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 90
    I must be unique in that I'll start out each trash pull applying DoTs (Mutilate/Thunder) while assessing which one the tank and the other DPS happen to decide to focus on. By the time I've made that determination, i'm swimming in Thundercloud procs and making up for my slow start. If applicable, while on Ninja, I will just shadewalker and blow everything up with Katon. I'd probably be "that guy" if I ever seriously played summoner, though. The shiny red button that launches all the nukes is just too irresistible.
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  5. #125
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    TSLsmokey's Avatar
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    Josh Corvus
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    Mateus
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by ProvidenceBreaker View Post
    I must be unique in that I'll start out each trash pull applying DoTs (Mutilate/Thunder) while assessing which one the tank and the other DPS happen to decide to focus on. By the time I've made that determination, i'm swimming in Thundercloud procs and making up for my slow start. If applicable, while on Ninja, I will just shadewalker and blow everything up with Katon. I'd probably be "that guy" if I ever seriously played summoner, though. The shiny red button that launches all the nukes is just too irresistible.
    As someone who plays SMN regularly, I can say you are not alone. While I wait for the tank to have a decent amount of aggro before unloading, I still manage to pull mobs from them. Bane+ShadowFlare+Bliz2+Miasma2 tends do it easily... God help them if I decide to Deathflare.
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  6. #126
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    wereotter's Avatar
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    Antony Gabbiani
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    Faerie
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Morzy View Post
    But my stacks. MY PRECIOUS STACKS
    Basically my thoughts in-between every pull as monk.
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