Don't be "that DPS"

[Almalexia]

Why not open with Flash?

[HoodRat]

I would surmise that the tank marked those mobs because (s)he wanted them attacked in an order, not AoE. Did you misunderstand?

Please reread my comment until you understand everything wrong with yours. It's too late for me to care to explain.

[AskaRay]

Please reread my comment until you understand everything wrong with yours. It's too late for me to care to explain.

To be fair, if you did just attack one mob at a time it WOULD help the tank keep aggro. Should they get better? Yeah, they should. Maybe they're just learning, maybe not. Some people don't like trial by fire.

[HoodRat]

To be fair, if you did just attack one mob at a time it WOULD help the tank keep aggro. Should they get better? Yeah, they should. Maybe they're just learning, maybe not. Some people don't like trial by fire.

And then the healer would be tanking the rest of the mobs because...like I said in my first comment, he facepulled every group and only attacked one mob.

[Alistaire]

As a tank who's not terrible, please do be that DPS. You don't need to hold back, holding hate in this game is so laughably easy I don't even understand how you could start a thread like this.

[firstsin]

Erm... if you are having trouble to hold aggro against a dps then you'll hate a whm who's initial burst is one of the highest.

Best piece of advice GIT GUD,

[RiisWolf]

I tend to pop cd after the pull starts and I still out threat the tank.

If DRG then it was normally because the tank is excessively switching targets to hit individually instead of using flash/OP/AoEs. This ends with me tanking the tanks original target or #1 target. And no I don't start with dragonfire dive.
If SMN, then it switching targets does not matter, we always AoE.
If BRD. . .. .any combo of the first two and that is it.
If BLM. . . . ^
If MNK. . . .. . . .^

You all have the space to shield lob then flash assuming you used lob from a distance. Circle of Scorn being a oGCD will help a ton as you can use it between lob and flash.
And I hate to sound mean but I and many others will NOT throttle back for the things you simply can AND refuse to do. And sorry if there is nothing you can do (if it is clear you are underpowered).

[Artemiz]

I and many others will NOT throttle back for the things you simply can AND refuse to do.

Well YOU could always cycle the mobs if you start getting too much hate, but I guess you only apply this logic to others but not yourself. The tank must be perfect and manage hate on multiple mobs but you can tunnel vision on one mob and desregard everything else. Alternatively, you could just work with your party instead of against it and be a good DPS.

Hate is a group effort, anyone who has a clue about how to work as a team will already know this and I don't care how bad ass you think you are if you're constantly pulling hate and making your healer and tanks life more difficult then you're a bad DPS. Sure the tank might be bad too but that's no excuse.

If I pull hate straight after shield lob with a thundercloud or firestarter proc and screw the pull up then that's my fault, not the tanks. If I start pulling hate with sustained damage then I have to throttle back or change target because a little less damage is better than hate being a mess and one DPS laying KO on the floor.

Sure, some tanks are awful and can't really do the job properly, but if we're talking about a competent tank that does flash and that does use the right rotation then it's up the the DPS to work with what they've got, not cause chaos and blame the tank.

[RiisWolf]

Alternatively, you could just work with your party instead of against it and be a good DPS.

What part of " . ..for the things you simply can AND refuse to do." do you not understand?

[Artemiz]

What part of " . ..for the things you simply can AND refuse to do." do you not understand?

The part where you make out you take hate all the time on different jobs and blame the tank for it. It's your responsibility too yet you refuse to throttle back, you even apologise if the tank is undergeared meaning you do it to new tanks too. That's a bad DPS. For further information, read my previous post again

Honestly, as a BLM main I could tank as much as I wanted and the tank wouldn't be able to do much about it, especially DF tanks. It's not about me being a bad ass, it's about working together and showing each other a little respect.