3.1 MSQ Reaction [SPOILERS]

[PArcher]

I'm not sure we will immediately have access to Ala Mhigo when that expansion comes. It may be that the first part is fighting our way in and establishing a "camp" of sorts that's friendly to us, then continuing to liberate the city piece by piece.

[Tenkuu]

I can't, because he's essentially torturing generation after generation of people who where fed lies from infancy and living under a government that brutally kills anyone who digresses from their 'true belief'. (Seeing this typed out, it sounds awfully familiar...). Then again, I don't really like many of the Ishardians, either, since many we meet are utter jerks. Still, I feel with the lower classes and hope Aymeric will be able to acutally improve their lifes.

If you think about it from the dragons' perspective though, just about every Ishgardian is descended from those knights and therefore have Ratatoskr's blood in them, therefore their very existence is a reminder of that betrayal. When you look at it that way, Nidhogg's inability to get over it is much more understandable.

My personal preference at this given moment would be that our involvement just completely tears that nation apart. Cities at landbridges between realms usually have a long history of conflict. Driving out the core Imperial structure would create a power vacuum into which would be drawn Garlean loyalists, Kingdom loyalists, reformists, Fists of Rhalgr, upstarts... I'd love it to be a city like Whitegate - full of interesting characters and factions and perpetually in conflict for the rest of the game.

We've seen as much Garlean military as we have Allagan remnants, though, so unless we're in for more than cermet and magitek and bleak black fortresses, I don't really care to see the homeland, lol. The throne room didn't look much different than a castrum. Unless we forge some truce and have an excuse to see a unique culture going back farther than their military industrial revolution, I'd rather they just collapsed off screen like the previous Emperor and let us go about our business somewhere like Thavnair or Othard or, hells, even the New World.

Likely any involvement with Ala Mhigo *will* cause conflict because it's pretty much under Garlean rule, but like you, that is exactly what I want to see out of that place. I'm also not interested in seeing more Garlean-style fortresses and other dark and imposing buildings, and I would like for Ala Mhigo to have a culture if it should be visited. However, as I mentioned before, I'm more interested in us going to the Sharlayan country. Don't know whether it would be in the cards, but it seems inevitable to eventually address their issues of non-interference.

It clearly is, but to play Devil's Advocate...

... while Gaius had sympathetic motives on the surface, deep down he was little more than an ambitious, power-hungry conquerer like the rest of the Garleans. He had standards, and a point that Eorzeans likely turn to gods because they're not strong enough to accept hardship, but ultimately the reason he wanted to conquer Eorzea was to prove that he could do so. (It's also why he opposed Project Meteor, as using a cataclysmic weapon of mass destruction to lay waste to the land would leave nothing worth conquering.)

Yup, that's exactly what I've been saying: Gaius is ultimately just another Garlean with motives that don't much differ from his comrades'. He doesn't conquer for the good of others, but it's what he pretends to justify his actions. He makes several good points about Eorzea and its Primals but goes about dealing with them the wrong way.

[Yuyuka3]

If you think about it from the dragons' perspective though, just about every Ishgardian is descended from those knights and therefore have Ratatoskr's blood in them, therefore their very existence is a reminder of that betrayal. When you look at it that way, Nidhogg's inability to get over it is much more understandable.

Yes, maybe. But if we all thought like this, we probably would have died out centuries ago, because peaceful coexistence couldn't be possible. I don't want to drag real live politics in here, but imagine what would have happened with this mindset after WWII...


And even then, torturing the greatgrandson/daughter of someone who killed your sister won't bring her back alive, it won't help anyone and will only create more hate and bloodshed in the long run, on both sides. It is meaningless. But that's exactly what happened here; Nidhogg condemned not only Ishgard, but his own children, too. And that's something I got no understanding for.

Likely any involvement with Ala Mhigo *will* cause conflict because it's pretty much under Garlean rule, but like you, that is exactly what I want to see out of that place. I'm also not interested in seeing more Garlean-style fortresses and other dark and imposing buildings, and I would like for Ala Mhigo to have a culture if it should be visited. However, as I mentioned before, I'm more interested in us going to the Sharlayan country. Don't know whether it would be in the cards, but it seems inevitable to eventually address their issues of non-interference.

I'm absolutely not interested in Ala Mhigo... everything I've seen from Ala Mhigans, with some exceptions like Raubahn and Wilred, was very negative. I don't want to help them. However, in the long run, it will be necessary to liberate the place, and yes, there will be conflict at this time. Besides, I think Yoshida mentioned they would bring the Garleans back within this patch cycle, so it is possible we will be heading there soon. Even though I would like to see other places much more as well. However, I got the feeling I would punch in one face or the other over at Sharlayan, so not sure if that's the best place to be for me

[ExKage]

Yes, maybe. But if we all thought like this, we probably would have died out centuries ago, because peaceful coexistence couldn't be possible. I don't want to drag real live politics in here, but imagine what would have happened with this mindset after WWII...

Imagine that you have lived for over 100,000 years. 100 years of that is just a tiny tiny fraction. In fact, it's pretty hard for us to imagine because we won't even live close to that long. They live their lives much differently than we do. Their concept of time is very different. Thousands of years and Tiamat still has to punish herself.

And it's not like Nidhogg's thoughts are shared totally by Midgardsomr and his other children. But they do understand the hate and anger. Some of them would like to get past that, yes. Nidhogg is one hateful dragon but I can't completely blame him just as I can't completely blame the current generation of innocent Ishgardians.

[myahele]

I guess I'm somewhat disappointed in how they revealed F'lhaminn and Hoary Boulder are hiding in Thavnair via npc dialogue and not a very short cutscene of Riol telling us that they're there.

It's something that can easily be missed by a majority of people since not many bother speaking to all these npcs.

Also, I feel rather sorry for Artoirel. He risked his life (more or less) to help in the Vault and all his father said was how he considers Aymeric another son and would not want to lose him, either. Didn't even bother to acknowledge Artoirel

Regarding Vidofnir, I do agree that she "must have been circling for hours" as Thancred said. She was most likely waiting for the right moment to make an appearance and her saving the girl-while not planned- could not have been a better moment to do so in a PR sense. At the very least she was waiting to have the "go to" to enter Ishgard. She may have been invited, but I'm sure she's smart enough to wait for a signal to enter

[Vayanne]

Also, I feel rather sorry for Artoirel. He risked his life (more or less) to help in the Vault and all his father said was how he considers Aymeric another son and would not want to lose him, either. Didn't even bother to acknowledge Artoirel

I feel bad for him, too. He's both responsible and sane - a rare combination in Ishgard. The only time he made me upset was when he cosplayed as his half-brother. As a player I knew he would likely come out of the Vault unscathed but my character was so much in shock upon seeing his outfit and hearing those same words that she wanted to lock him in a tower to prevent another Fortemps casualty.

[myahele]

I saw an old post in reddit that showed part of Yda's face prior to 2.55

[Frederick22]

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Maybe she is half highlander, we discover she doenst have eyebrowns! xD

[CyrilLucifer]

From the newest interview:
Yoshida: Speaking of "the void," what's on the other side in another world was also a theme back in FFXI. As things progress and you find out the true purpose of the Warriors of Darkness, you'll start to see connections with elements surrounding the void, so things should get interesting.

Preeeeeetty sure he's going to go WotG on us, as many of us expected.

And it's going to be amazing.

Edit: Translated source: https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/12....1-Impressions

[Morningstar1337]

From the newest interview:
Yoshida: Speaking of "the void," what's on the other side in another world was also a theme back in FFXI. As things progress and you find out the true purpose of the Warriors of Darkness, you'll start to see connections with elements surrounding the void, so things should get interesting.

Preeeeeetty sure he's going to go WotG on us, as many of us expected.

Isn't that the "depressing" xpac of XI (wouldn't know, haven't played the game enough to know its story)?