Quote Originally Posted by Tenkuu View Post
Are we actually certain that the Echo was given to the Sahagin elder rather than awoken in him? If so, that would make Elidibus pretty much equal to both Zodiark and Hydaelyn. And I have the same question regarding the knights and Thordan: doesn't the Echo have to be granted by either Hydaelyn or Zodiark?
Assuming he can't grant the echo, and merely fostered it in the Sahagin, Are we sure that you need the echo to uh... deiform? If not, only the Archbishop would need the Echo to maintain his free will, the Heaven's guard may have been Tempered to their primal forms, bound by loyalty to their liege, Thordan.