Monk 3.0 CHAKRA UNLEASHED

[Ricdeau]

Snip

That's not the point I was trying to make nor do I believe it was the point that Almalexia was making either. Here in the last couple weeks there's been a lot of "sky is falling" posts and attitudes which just weren't warranted. Monks weren't in some dire situation of the entire population jumping ship. I'm in full agreement SE should strive for balance, and generally they do a pretty good job there compared to what you see in many games. Many of us also agree that the buff focus on utility would have been preferred over a flat DPS increase.

Outside of the groups pushing the bleeding edge of content as it's released generally aren't going to force anyone to change jobs or roles as some people try to have others believe. The level of exaggeration recently has been a bit much for a lot of the job roles.

[Allyrion]

That's not the point I was trying to make nor do I believe it was the point that Almalexia was making either. Here in the last couple weeks there's been a lot of "sky is falling" posts and attitudes which just weren't warranted. Monks weren't in some dire situation of the entire population jumping ship. I'm in full agreement SE should strive for balance, and generally they do a pretty good job there compared to what you see in many games. Many of us also agree that the buff focus on utility would have been preferred over a flat DPS increase.

Outside of the groups pushing the bleeding edge of content as it's released generally aren't going to force anyone to change jobs or roles as some people try to have others believe. The level of exaggeration recently has been a bit much for a lot of the job roles.

Yea, I can't disagree on that point.

[Craiger]

That's not the point I was trying to make nor do I believe it was the point that Almalexia was making either. Here in the last couple weeks there's been a lot of "sky is falling" posts and attitudes which just weren't warranted. Monks weren't in some dire situation of the entire population jumping ship. I'm in full agreement SE should strive for balance, and generally they do a pretty good job there compared to what you see in many games. Many of us also agree that the buff focus on utility would have been preferred over a flat DPS increase.

Outside of the groups pushing the bleeding edge of content as it's released generally aren't going to force anyone to change jobs or roles as some people try to have others believe. The level of exaggeration recently has been a bit much for a lot of the job roles.

The reason it has become such big deal, is because PLD are behind DRK in DPS too, so if you went with DRK-NIN, you would actually gain a sizable amount of DPS over bringing PLD-MNK. Even groups that aren't world first groups would like to get that bonus DPS, because while it isn't technically needed for them, they probably aren't getting those DPS numbers that the best groups get... So for them, it would still be a challenge to get the required DPS for a fight, which a DRK-NIN composition could help with.

The difference between MNK and DRG was pretty big though... because, even with this buff to MNK, DRG are untouchable at the top. DRG are still up there on DPS, just slightly behind MNK, but if you add Disembowel debuff and Litany, DRG comes out on top any day of the week. So the buff was very much needed, and even now, MNK could use some utility to go with what we have, maybe some synergy with PLD, to make PLD more popular too. (Not saying NIN doesn't need any buff then too)

Also, I think some players overreacting to the buff too... It was a pretty small increase in damage, but some players make it seem like it was a huge increase. If you did 1300 on a dummy before, you should be doing somewhere around 1330 now. If you get any higher numbers that I've seen flying around, then you're doing something different to what you did pre-3.07, or you have different gear or something. EDIT: So in other words, around 2.3% increase in DPS, not even 3%

[Leonus]

The reason it has become such big deal, is because PLD are behind DRK ....

While I agree with your post, a lot of people have to realize that no one (or very few) says "XX of that brds dps is mine" as a drg. A lot of Drgs only post their generated numbers, because that's what they have direct control over. Battle littany would be even harder to calculate since you don't know if you would have crit anyways or not, since it's really just increased crit chance.

Same goes for nin with TA, or mnk with dk/mantra.

I agree with quite a few posters that mnk should have gotten some synergy with one of the new jobs instead (example: drk debuff should have applied blunt resistance down or 1 ilm punch give some kind of magic resitance down or something) of a flat damage increase.

[Transfinite]

Outside of the groups pushing the bleeding edge of content as it's released generally aren't going to force anyone to change jobs or roles as some people try to have others believe. The level of exaggeration recently has been a bit much for a lot of the job roles.

That usually varies from server to server. Some statics don't really care as long as they got 2 different Melee DPS, a Caster DPS, and Ranged Support DPS in their group. Other's like Munchkins or Powergamers for example will go for what's logically the most optimal party combination for the path of least resistance which unfortunately is also used by the World First clear groups.