Quote Originally Posted by ShadowYomi View Post
I feel sooner or later there is going to be a topic about people complaining about those who chose to take the 30 minute penalty rather than staying with the group.
That's how we got a 30 min penalty (up from 15).

Baddies think if the penalty is high enough it will force others to help them. They may be right, up to a point. If dps is a little slow and it looks like a group will take 10 extra min to clear, it's 10 min vs. a 15/30/whatever min penalty. But if it's possibly never because the group is too inept to clear vs. 15 or 30 min, then the smart player will take the penalty every time.

And if the penalty becomes too restrictive, like 1 hr. or more, you'll just see people moving to a different game. Incentives will only go so far for encouraging decent players to group with bad players and incentives will never be able to create patience out of thin air. At most you'll see groups of strangely quiet players (as they secretly curse you for wasting their time and making their experience so miserable) and you won't get any commendations at the end.

If a person is okay with this (someone else quietly gritting their teeth and carrying them) then I think you need to ask: who is more of a d-bag, the player who leaves because they're not having any fun or the player who expects those who aren't having any fun to stick around just for their sake?