"Please Kick Me..." - Just Take Your Penalty

[Synestra]

Uh, you're making a pretty huge assumption here. Most people don't ask to be kicked because of other people in the party.

Friend of mine has been getting insanely horrible groups lately where dps is pulling sub 200dps healers dont heal and tanks spamming one skill etc.. so its not always the dungeon that makes you want to leave, and its not always justified to get penalty when you can clearly see that you group cannot even clear a trash letalone bosses(and when you mention them that they need to stepup lil bit many will pull the "i pay my sub so i can do whatever" card). So in scenarios like these i can totally see why one would ask to be kicked instead leaving and getting penalty.

[Assirra]

Friend of mine has been getting insanely horrible groups lately where dps is pulling sub 200dps healers dont heal and tanks spamming one skill etc.. so its not always the dungeon that makes you want to leave, and its not always justified to get penalty when you can clearly see that you group cannot even clear a trash letalone bosses(and when you mention them that they need to stepup lil bit many will pull the "i pay my sub so i can do whatever" card). So in scenarios like these i can totally see why one would ask to be kicked instead leaving and getting penalty.

If i get such groups i take a penalty with a smile on my face rather then keep going.
It does not matter why you want one, you are actively breaking the game rules by asking a kick.

[Fenral]

Going into Duty Finder for anything is signing a non-written agreement to stick around until the duty is over, one way or the other. The penalty for leaving exists to punish players for breaking that contract, because it impacts the other players in the party, and replacements are NOT guaranteed. Trying to weasel out of that penalty is a scumbag thing to do, especially considering it's a highly limited ability players have.

When I want to leave, I leave. I take my thirty minute penalty and craft or gather or whatever. I'm usually not in the mood to try DF again immediately after anyway, especially if something that happened in DF was bad enough to convince me to drop.

[Adire]

Too many players think 30 minutes is longer than it actually is. The penalty isn't that bad, just eat it.

[Ashkendor]

Too many players think 30 minutes is longer than it actually is. The penalty isn't that bad, just eat it.

Right? If I get a truly hideously awful party and leave (it takes a lot, but I've done it a few times) I go dig for a map, hit ephemeral nodes, craft, or go watch some anime or something on youtube. 30 minutes is peanuts.

When I want to leave, I leave. I take my thirty minute penalty and craft or gather or whatever. I'm usually not in the mood to try DF again immediately after anyway, especially if something that happened in DF was bad enough to convince me to drop.

Lol, right? Going and gathering or crafting for awhile can be kinda therapeutic.

[Adire]

Yeah, definitely not a fan of being kicked bringing in a penalty. I've been kicked for completely BS reasons before, and would not be happy if I got penalized on top of being removed from a duty wrongfully.

[Reinha]

Ok, explain this to me. Why does them having a penalty help things? What exact behavior are we trying to prevent? Is it just you want people punished for leaving duties?

I suppose I don't understand your goal in requesting people not ask to be kicked. If kicking wasn't an option, people would go to the next best thing, force-disconnect. If that started coming with a penalty, there would be outcry every time a storm, a dog, an ISP or a SE server failing took down someones internet for a few minutes too long, and they were locked out on return.

It's to discourage leaving a duty mid way. Simple as that. Yes I want them punished because when they leave and I have to wait for a replacement, I'm not having fun anymore. If the penalty makes the quitter feel bad then it has filled it's purpose. Maybe the quitter will be more patient next time and will consider not wasting other people's time. Think about the wait the other group members have when they can't even do their open world business in the meantime.

Oh, what if you have to leave because it's a real life emergency? Well, the 30 minute penalty won't matter in that case so leaving the duty should still be the first response, not begging for a kick. Usually those "emergencies" are just bad excuses made by people who are so eager to requeue for another duty that they don't even bother pretending to dc. I may need my kick allowance in the next 4 hours so I'd rather not waste it on some selfish picky person who doesn't quite grasp what roulette means.

I would love if getting kicked gave the same penalty as leaving. In WoW I only got kicked a couple of times that I would consider unjust (in FFXIV not even once) and got penalized the 30 minutes, but I still think it was soooo worth it not having people dc left and right all the friggin time in that game. After playing FFXIV for about 5 months, I've wasted more total time waiting for a replacement for someone who went offline, than I ever did for getting kicked from groups in WoW during the 5 years I played! When the penalty for getting kicked first got implemented, there was an outcry. From the ragequitters, of course. It settled down pretty quickly and suddenly people seemed to have much better internet connections since not many disconnected anymore...

Anyone who tends to stick with the group and dungeon they got dealt would have nothing to worry about if SE implemented a penalty for quitting. The rest, I have no sympathy for. Except for those with connection issues. I guess they could use the time to resolve or wait out any issues with the dog / eye of a storm / server / idiot sibling, so they don't affect the next group they get into. Who knows, maybe groups wouldn't be so trigger happy to kick offline people if they knew for sure it was legit internet problems and not some pathetic attempt to get kicked on purpose to avoid a penalty.

[Krokov]

A lot and forget it once you're in the dungeon for X amount of time you can leave and you won't get a penalty.

[Dererk]

I just had a healer decked out in heavensward crafted gear in Longstop hard who wiped us while we were speed running the first wave to the boss and then blamed it on the DPS now if it were 2 drg 2 mnks or a combination of such maybe maybe that excuse would hold.

But the tank was a PLD and the DPS was me SMN and a BLM. And this was a WHM healer who tried to shift it.

So he said just kick me we said no. And I said you will either leave take the penalty or stay and do your role. Or I will report you for harassment he said he'd do the same was fine with me since I did nothing wrong he started a kick on the BLM unfortunately we realized to late it was the BLM thinking it was the WHM. The WHM did it so they could skip the penalty fortunately he couldn't leave because we were in combat ha ha ha. Then a brd joined and since he already used his vote kick he just forced a dc so wed be forced to kick him.

Well I held on to my end and reported the guy for this abuse.

Thank you for the quick and timely reply GM Eresgha.