"Please Kick Me..." - Just Take Your Penalty

[Cakekizy]

Then im supposed to not play most of the time? Because i am NOT sitting 90 minutes straight in front of the game.

I don't know about you, but i have something called a life - when i plan a dungeon i plan 45 minutes. Because even with bad players that's how long it should take. And i will not be told by some self righteous <insertwordofchoicehere> that can sit in front of the game the whole day to "Make space 1 1/2 hours of my time" for something that can be done in 20-25 minutes

Sorry, just shows how much off a jerk attitude comes out no matter on what side of the table you stand

If you can't commit time for duty, there are always hunts and grinding random mobs.

[Miste]

If it was 30~ minutes before raid, I personally wouldn't even queue up for anything anyway because its a liability to hold up your raid members, all things considered. Especially if you get 3 new people for an expert dungeon that it should've been a red lgiht for the run taking longer than usual. Could've bailed immediately that you have other matters to attend to and probably won't have time guiding three new people and still make raid time if it was 30 minutes to raid (and if it was less, then again, I'd have to question why you're even doing duty finder roulette that close to raid time).

Unless your raid was for Alexander savage, then all of that is out of the window because savage doesn't use duty finder...

Oh I am not saying it wasn't his own fault really. Mistakes happen to the best of us though, and a little kindness and compassion goes a long way especially since he stuck it out knowing the members were new and with so many wipes until he was out of time, does that sound like a mean player to you? A lot of people would have given up far sooner.

Also bailing immediately on seeing the new member notice....is another thing a lot of people get angry with because they want kindness and compassion from fellow players to help them complete it. So it's kind of like pick your poison.

[RiceisNice]

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Bailing because don't want to put up with new players is one thing, bailing because you don't have time to put up with new players is anotehr thing. But in the end, it still comes to time management. You're really splitting hairs if you're trying to squeeze in a DF roulette 30 minutes before a scheduled raid. As a pseudo-raid leader, this is one of my pet peeves if I see somneone queuing up for a roulette when its 30> minutes before our meet up time, and I full well expect them to bail if it's going to take longer than that and the other 6 members and I are waiting for them since it's our savage progression night.

[ShadowYomi]

I feel sooner or later there is going to be a topic about people complaining about those who chose to take the 30 minute penalty rather than staying with the group.

[Syrehn]

Oh I am not saying it wasn't his own fault really. Mistakes happen to the best of us though, and a little kindness and compassion goes a long way especially since he stuck it out knowing the members were new and with so many wipes until he was out of time, does that sound like a mean player to you? A lot of people would have given up far sooner.

Also bailing immediately on seeing the new member notice....is another thing a lot of people get angry with because they want kindness and compassion from fellow players to help them complete it. So it's kind of like pick your poison.

I guess my first red flag is that this player queued up for a dungeon so close to raid time assuming that they would get a quick clear. If you don't have time to stay for the entire dungeon countdown then don't queue imo.

That being said if the party doesn't want to disband (vote abandon) and they don't want to vote kick they are well within their rights to refuse; SE allotted the party x amount of time for the group to clear the content. Even if some players feel that it should/could be done faster the simple fact is that the entire party has until the timer ticks down. No one is preventing anyone from leaving on their own accord.

As mentioned, if you're going to queue for a duty finder group, go in with the expectation that it could take the entire dungeon timer depending on the party circumstances.

No one is saying that players should never ever show kindness/compassion in the odd scenario (this is personal choice) but don't get angry/retaliate at the party if they choose not to initiate a vote kick if asked (or if trying to force a kick via d/c); they are well within their rights to refuse.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

In this thread: "Noh, u haz to play with meh because da roolz say so. If you don't I'm telling daddy!"

Honestly, if the group I get when it isn't in roulette is incompetent, I'll either ask for a vote kick or if it's really bad, I'll eat the penalty. I've had my fill of healers causing wipes by bein dps mad.

[Assirra]

In this thread: "Noh, u haz to play with meh because da roolz say so. If you don't I'm telling daddy!"

Honestly, if the group I get when it isn't in roulette is incompetent, I'll either ask for a vote kick or if it's really bad, I'll eat the penalty. I've had my fill of healers causing wipes by bein dps mad.

These threads are getting so silly when people try to twist who is the actual victim and who is the offender.

[Miste]

I guess my first red flag is that this player queued up for a dungeon so close to raid time assuming that they would get a quick clear. If you don't have time to stay for the entire dungeon countdown then don't queue imo.

But in the end, it still comes to time management. You're really splitting hairs if you're trying to squeeze in a DF roulette 30 minutes before a scheduled raid.

Again I didn't say it wasn't his own fault there. But I'll say this again. People make mistakes. Your time management and time judgement skills might be spot on, but that doesn't mean all people have that skill mastered. Some might misjudge or not think about the run not going right. Or they might just plain not realize they don't have much time left. It is their own mistake but it's just a game, why bother being so rigid about things. If I was in that group I would have attempted to remove him just to be nice since he stuck with me so long even though I was new and likely screwing the dungeon mechanics up.

The party has the right to refuse yes, but I am trying to impart that maybe we should all think a bit before saying an automatic no. Depends on the case though of course, like if a player just doesn't want to do that dungeon and that's the only reason then yeah they can try to ask for a kick but they should just leave and take penalty.

[Syrehn]

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In all fairness if there were appropriate penalties included with the vote kick feature, such as a deserter timer for example, then it would act as a deterrent for players who abuse the system when not wanting to do specific dungeons and encourage better time management for players queueing with upcoming obligations.

[Miste]

In all fairness if there were appropriate penalties included with the vote kick feature, such as a deserter timer for example, then it would act as a deterrent for players who abuse the system when not wanting to do specific dungeons and encourage better time management for players queueing with upcoming obligations.

That doesn't seem like a bad idea somewhat but...I just can't bring myself to agree with it. It goes back to the being too rigid when it is just an online game meant for fun.

Compounding penalties on top of penalties and more penalties...just in my opinion is not the best way to deal with those problems and it's likely better off just staying how it is now. It would hurt the innocent players who may get vote kicked unjustly/for no reason/trolling and also genuine disconnects from the game only to come back and you are kicked and have a penalty and it wasn't even anything you did wrong.

Time for other stuff now though! Thanks for the good discussion

Oh and btw I totally agree with your booty signature, it's so sad we all lost our butts in the calamity :/