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    SaintCartridge's Avatar
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    Caitlyn

    1 - In my opinion a reasonable DPS number for a MCH with ilvl 170 should be between 550-600 DPS. Now, a good MCH would go over those numbers obviously. But, if ur DPS is around those numbers I just said, then u're doing ur job to DPS bismarck down

    2 - I don't believe there is a best in slot right now, only because you have no gear to choose from. There's only one and is that one you have to get (in this case being the Law/Centurio Seals gear)

    3- At the moment, I believe GB should be use with ur Opening or at any circunstance where you can cast it without loosing any DPS. For example, when a boss is invulnerable because of some ability-animations he does or whatever. In the end, you would want to switch between GB when u have a window in which u cannot make DPS. Eventhough its all circunstancial

    4 - In that case, if u have GB up, use Feint and Gauss Round when it pops. If you dont have GB up keep spamming split shot cuz at least Quick Reload should be coming up soon
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    Caitlyn's Avatar
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    Geistherz Gungnir
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    Shiva
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SaintCartridge View Post
    Caitlyn

    1 - In my opinion a reasonable DPS number for a MCH with ilvl 170 should be between 550-600 DPS. Now, a good MCH would go over those numbers obviously. But, if ur DPS is around those numbers I just said, then u're doing ur job to DPS bismarck down

    2 - I don't believe there is a best in slot right now, only because you have no gear to choose from. There's only one and is that one you have to get (in this case being the Law/Centurio Seals gear)

    3- At the moment, I believe GB should be use with ur Opening or at any circunstance where you can cast it without loosing any DPS. For example, when a boss is invulnerable because of some ability-animations he does or whatever. In the end, you would want to switch between GB when u have a window in which u cannot make DPS. Eventhough its all circunstancial

    4 - In that case, if u have GB up, use Feint and Gauss Round when it pops. If you dont have GB up keep spamming split shot cuz at least Quick Reload should be coming up soon

    Thanks for your answers.

    @1.: I ve found some post about a guy who made 800 DPS and I m wonder if that is possible. I played Monk before and now I m feeling quite useless because of the huge loss of damage. Thats why I wanted to know, which DPS I shall aiming for.

    @2.: Well, thats good to know. It makes me feel like when 2.0 came out and ilvl 90 was the best to have ; )

    @3.: Yesterday, Bismarck Ex showed me, that we never get to the second phase while having GB equipped. Even with all cooldowns and skills, we never made it to break his Chitin Carapace. I used GB in my opening, but disabled it after the first adds are down. Then we made it without a problem.

    @4.: Ok, thanks. Sometimes, I wished I have a skill to bypass these moments (like the Monk does).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caitlyn View Post
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    1. They're doing 800 in Ravana, but the thing is, depending on when the fight ends, the numbers can be a bit skewed because of vulnerability phases. There's just so much downtime going on that can dilute the numbers a bit, or get reset and not account for the downtimes and factor in the vulnerability phases. If there's one thing MCH is good that, its burst damage with GB.

    3. There's no content that is rendered impossible by bringing in a MCH or two. Their dps is low, but not that low to the point that they become a liability for dps check.

    4. Full GB uptime is a dps loss (or a very small gain, either it's not justified for the attachment), unless you're trying to hold out for that last ricochet+gauss round.
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    Zetsu Tei
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caitlyn View Post
    Thanks for your answers.

    @1.: I ve found some post about a guy who made 800 DPS and I m wonder if that is possible. I played Monk before and now I m feeling quite useless because of the huge loss of damage. Thats why I wanted to know, which DPS I shall aiming for.
    I've only done Bismark EX twice on my MCH and I'd say 800 is attainable assuming you have a group that add stacks to optimize with bishop turret. I ran with a pug for the most part and could still hit 750, so 700+ is definitely attainable on BEX. I haven't really done Rav at all on MCH but have on ninja.



    Plus DPS quotes in fights with downtime are unreliable unless they can prove it's unmerged.
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    Kiro Okita
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    Sargatanas
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    Machinist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth View Post
    Well, this is a pretty good opener, based on the @Massterchef's one:
    1. Gauss Barrel
    2. Raging Strikes
    3. Blood for Blood
    4. Hot Shot
    5. Hawk's Eye
    6. Hypercharge
    7. Lead Shot
    8. Dexterity Potion
    9. Rapid Fire
    10. Reload
    11. Split Shot
    12. Wildfire
    13. Slug Shot
    14. Head Graze
    15. Split Shot
    16. Feint
    17. Reassemble
    18. Clean Shot
    19. Ricochet
    20. Gauss Round
    21. Slug Shot
    22. Blank
    23. Clean Shot
    24. Quick Reload
    25. Split Shot
    Quote Originally Posted by Massterchef View Post
    I've only done Bismark EX twice on my MCH and I'd say 800 is attainable assuming you have a group that add stacks to optimize with bishop turret. I ran with a pug for the most part and could still hit 750, so 700+ is definitely attainable on BEX.
    Is this your opening rotation? And are you weaving GB off/on for BisEx throughout the fight or only during moments of opportunity (e.g. adds down, corona coming up)
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    Kiro Okita Sargatanas