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    AiiroOkami's Avatar
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    Rydia Geraldine
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    luizf_sp, I think that your opener is pretty good tbh, but I think you use too much skills oGCD while you could use GCD skills.
    I made some changes to resolve this problem :
    Always using Ifrit :
    Rouse + Spur before pull.
    Bio > Enkidle > Bio II > Radiant Shield > Miasma > Ruin II > Swiftcast > Fester > Shadow Flare > Painflare > Ruin II > Raging Strike > Ruin > Bio > Fester > Aetherflow > Pot > DW Trance > Ruin II > Tri-Disaster > Fester > Ruin III > Painflare > Ruin III > Fester > Deathflare

    With this opener you don't have that much downtime and you optimize your DPS with using a GCD skill whenever you can.
    Feel free to suggest some modifications, if we work together we can find the best opener
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    Last edited by AiiroOkami; 06-23-2015 at 08:52 PM.

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    Adreius Niluez
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    Summoner Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by AiiroOkami View Post
    luizf_sp, I think that your opener is pretty good tbh, but I think you use too much skills oGCD while you could use GCD skills.
    I made some changes to resolve this problem :
    Always using Ifrit :
    Rouse + Spur before pull.
    Bio > Enkidle > Bio II > Radiant Shield > Miasma > Ruin II > Swiftcast > Fester > Shadow Flare > Painflare > Ruin II > Raging Strike > Bio > Aetherflow > Pot > DW Trance > Ruin II > Tri-Disaster > Fester > Ruin III > Painflare > Ruin III > Fester > Deathflare

    With this opener you don't have that much downtime and you optimize your DPS with using a GCD skill whenever you can.
    Feel free to suggest some modifications, if we work together we can find the best opener
    I can put this in my spreadsheet and figure out how much potency per second its worth if you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meleoffs View Post
    I can put this in my spreadsheet and figure out how much potency per second its worth if you want.
    Please do
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    Yosuke Hanamura
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    Moogle
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Not 60 yet, but here is how I think I will open, starting with Garuda:

    Rouse + Spur / Bio II / Miasma / Bio / Enkindle / Fester / Ruin II / Painflare / Shadow Flare / Ruin spam until Fester is up / Fester / Aetherflow / Ruin II ? / Raging Strikes / Potion of Intelligence / Dreadwyrm Trance / Tri-Disaster / Fester / Miasma II / Ruin III spam / Contagion while casting Ruin III / Fester / Painflare unless an unbuffed Fester deals more damage / Deathflare before buffs disappear / Swiftcast Ifrit

    I'm super happy with the way Ifrit has been buffed, I haven't used Garuda since early access. I try to squeeze as much DPS as possible by checking Ifrit's hotbar so I can use his AOE and stun right after his normal attack. It's so much better than just hitting Contagion when needed and macro'ing Aerial Slash to Miasma II and Bane. However I need to manually order Ifrit to change targets before his current target dies or he'll come to me, then change his mind and go back into the fray, losing a GCD or two.
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    Last edited by Arkann; 06-23-2015 at 07:21 PM.

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    Fayne Lightbringer
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    Leviathan
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    Summoner Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by AiiroOkami View Post
    (Rotation)
    You're only using 2 aetherflow abilities, can't go into Trance with that. You can fit (need to test later) another fester after refreshing Bio and it'll benefit from the RS you just popped. Aside from this, I think its a pretty solid opener. I don't consider pet abilities as "oGcds" since they don't affect my rotation flow, so I didn't include them, but obviously you want ifrit on Obey to maximize DPS.

    I don't think you should rush to go into Trance as fast as possible like some are suggesting, it seems to be a dps loss. Until ACT DoT parsing is fixed we can't say for sure whats the best way handle this. Right now, the dot damage provided by spell speed is not being parsed correctly (confirmed this yesterday with a spell speed build).
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    Oh yeah I forgot a Fester after the Bio refresh, my bad. (I edited the previous post)
    I have to agree and disagree with you with the Trance entering. It's true that you lose DPS by using Painflare instead of a Fester, I totally agree on that, but I imagine I'm in a raid fight and the fight is long, the fastest I use my CDs (RS + Pot), the fastest I can reuse them.
    I think that both of them are a viable option, I will use the Painflare one for now and I'll see that when ACT will work properly with DOTs again.

    But I want to say that you are not wrong neither the other ones are wrong, we suggest things and see what is the best thing.
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    Last edited by AiiroOkami; 06-23-2015 at 08:53 PM.

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    Adreius Niluez
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    Summoner Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by luizf_sp View Post
    Until ACT DoT parsing is fixed we can't say for sure whats the best way handle this. Right now, the dot damage provided by spell speed is not being parsed correctly (confirmed this yesterday with a spell speed build).
    I'm not using parses. I'm calculating potency per second, which is arguably more accurate than actual dps is because of stats and parser inaccuracies. I do this to find the theoretically highest dps opener we can do.

    The trade off for going into DWT asap is you spend less time reapplying dots and get all of your dots (plus miasma and shadowflare) snapshot within trick attack dwt and xpot windows. If you rush into DWT using both the openers suggested that rush, DWT goes up at exactly the same time trick attack does. If we could get it up a GCD earlier you'd be able to hit DF with trick attack up. Yes you lose 250 potency off not festering, however your dots gain roughly double the potency per tick. Bio is coming in at 69.696 potency per second. Solo, your opener is probably superior but that's not why we're doing this.

    FYI I'm not factoring in astro buffs because they're random and you won't always get them at the right time. It's better for them to go to other people. They'd almost have to hold onto them for you to get them snap shot properly.
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    Last edited by Meleoffs; 06-23-2015 at 09:06 PM. Reason: 1000 character limit is arbitrary