Take it easy on the Nerfing :/

[Jamein]

It also isn't fair that simply because they don't want to learn it, they should get it easier. It's a thing a lot of people simply discredit; it doesn't matter how much some people train for their clears, there's always people brushing that away and demanding they need to be able to clear it with less effort.

Paying the same money=/=everyone should get everything.

When FCOB came out of loot lockout, PF lit up with more groups, but still not TOO many.
Fast forward a few weeks when echo came out and then boom, PF was flooded with FCOB groups.

My point? People KNOW they will add echo, so they simply don't bother with the harder content till it is made easier, if SE stopped dumbing things down people might actually be forced to do the content while it is still challenging rather than waiting, and even better it may raise the average player skill level so we're not left with people who find basic communication in a story mode trial *cough*steps*cough* too hard.

If people can get by only knowing 1+1=2 then alot will just say why bother learning anything else, force them to think a little and you'll find they might actually engage their brain and enjoy the new challenge.

Or you can just nerf things 1 month after they came out, what the hell do I know.

[Pluvia]

Honestly I'm of the view that if its old tier add a crap load of echo and nerf it to the ground only using echo that way all the people who want to have the challenge before the nerfs can just click off echo. really the only reason they nerfed steps was because people just leaving and eating the 30min debuff instead of doing it hence the forum post on this forum about people doing it.

Just my 2 cents coming from my 10+ years of MMO on FFXI, WoW mythic raiding, and FFXIV. once its old tier its old tier and especially if they make it harder (which i hope they do) If we have to replace people or have someone reroll and collect gear i sure as hell don't want to be stuck in an old tier farming gear for a raid night and with all the derps that can be in the PF and DF Its now always a luxury having someone gear themselves up. Another thing that annoys me is the use of casual and hardcore most people misuse it. All of its solved by just added an excess amount of echo. Also does anyone know how to change your forum character I've long since stopped playing this one.

[Reinha]

A while back in a discussion about 'bad' players ruining the experience for other people there was a suggestion that they make learning parties instead of joining regular parties. Even though there are not many willing to join a learning party at this point in time, the suggestion got a lot of support.

This is essentially the same thing but reversed. So I'm going to repeat myself and say: just make a group where everyone clicks off echo. Ta-da, challenge restored. You shouldn't try to ruin the chance for other people to see the story only so you can have an easier time raiding hardmode.

[Tuathaa]

You shouldn't try to ruin the chance for other people to see the story only so you can have an easier time raiding hardmode.

Most people in this thread seem to think story mode should be equal to hard mode raids and only accessible to people who can play for more than 3 hrs a day and 8hrs a day on weekends.
In addition to memorizing every story mode fight on video ever posted to the internet.

[RylaiBluecrow]

the increase on item level will unavoidably nerf the content. So there's no need to actually use echo/cut mechanics/lower boss hp to nerf the thing.

Titan Ex was bad, and is bad, and still will be bad. People will die.
Ramuh Ex was bad, and is bad, and still will be bad. People will be confused.
So is Mog Ex.
Challenging contents should remain challenging. It's been my reasoning since they first nerfed first coil. There's no reason to give free echo. None at all.

To me, it's just a fucking cheap way for SE to be lazy and not work on anymore the 2.0 content in between the gap from now 2 months ago to heavesnward. There's a more than three month gap in between 2.0 ending and heavensward. What the hell do they expect us to do? They just throwed the nerf of coils on players face, and giggles: "go nuts. you've something to do now."

[CUTS3R]

Im speaking for myself here, but even today i'd rather take the penalty than running SoF again. It is probably much easier now but dont count on me to verify it. Trying again and again for 3 days was enough. I'll add that theres no reason (i.e rewards) to run it again either, oh and dont say sol, the amount we get isnt enough for the time ispend potentially dealing with first timers.

On topic, you should know by now that SE always do too much or not enough. Apparently theres nom middle round with them.

[RylaiBluecrow]

Im speaking for myself here, but even today i'd rather take the penalty than running sof again. It is probably much easier now but dont count on me to verify it. Trying again and again for 3 days was enough. I'll add that theres no reason (i.e rewards) to run it again either.

Steps of Faith is essential trial to progress main story. It's not supposed to be hard. I think what OP argues is the challenging aspect of the game i.e. coils and primals

[CUTS3R]

Steps of Faith is essential trial to progress main story. It's not supposed to be hard. I think what OP argues is the challenging aspect of the game i.e. coils and primals

While i agree with y ou SoF wasnt hard to begin with. If people wiped alot on it, me included, its not because it was hard, its because people are too dumb to coordinate with other players over simple tasks. All the nerfing won't help them improving that if they ever try real endgame stuff like coil one day.

[Nestama]

So I'm going to repeat myself and say: just make a group where everyone clicks off echo. Ta-da, challenge restored. You shouldn't try to ruin the chance for other people to see the story only so you can have an easier time raiding hardmode.

Sadly this can't apply to T6, 7 and 8... sure, you can turn the Echo off, but you can't experience what the nerfs have taken away (to an extent. You still deal with the same mechanics, but mistakes aren't penalised with a death sentence).
Tuatha, that is not the case at all. We just want the story fights to make players do more than sit behind a boss and fall asleep pressing their pew pew buttons (this enables Leech players, while making Casual and Vet players feel like they're being treated like babies. SE are the Sun from Broken Age). Give the fights a little more oomph. Make them like Siren and Halicarnassus.

[TAS]

Sadly this can't apply to T6, 7 and 8... sure, you can turn the Echo off, but you can't experience what the nerfs have taken away (to an extent. You still deal with the same mechanics, but mistakes aren't penalised with a death sentence).
Tuatha, that is not the case at all. We just want the story fights to make players do more than sit behind a boss and fall asleep pressing their pew pew buttons (this enables Leech players, while making Casual and Vet players feel like they're being treated like babies. SE are the Sun from Broken Age). Give the fights a little more oomph. Make them like Siren and Halicarnassus.

There's no reason to give free echo. None at all."

Moving forward I really hope that SE keeps this in mind. I love the suggestions with regards implementing more training based content as a help players maximize their potential in mechanically driven and high dps fights.