So votekick >abuse< is practically allowed?

[Lucke]

There's a bit of hypocrisy and confusion here. If SE keeps saying that vote-kicking is between players, why even have those 4 options as to why you are kicking this person? I've heard people complain saying they were kicked for whatever reason that doesn't match those 4 reasons given and SE is just like "Not our problem". If that's the case, why even have that little disclaimer on the bottom of the window that says vote-kick abuse is a punishable act since it's clear SE doesn't get involved with vote-kicks, they obviously aren't gonna punish people for abusing it. It's all very confusing and SE is giving out a bunch of mixed signals.

[NyarukoW]

... since it's clear SE doesn't get involved with vote-kicks...

You have any evidence to back up that claim? SE does get involved with vote kick abuses There is nothing confusing about that. There are players that come on this forums to put up a bunch of smoke and mirrors trying to confuse people, but don't believe for 1 minute that the GMs are turning a blind eye to abuse. They have the data, and if enough player report the same troll abusing vote kicks, they will sort that signal out from the noise and investigate and then take action. They may not be able to punish every vote kick abuse, just like cops can't stop every shoplifter, but sooner or later, the criminal will be trip up and be nailed.

The vote kick abuser want to demoralize other players here on the forum in hope that the vast majority would become silent, passive, and unwillingly complicit, and so they will continue to spread the misinformation so they can get away with their bad behavior more easily.

[Lucke]

Yay

I'm going by the canned responses I and others get when we report potential abuse kicks and even what the GMs themselves say in this and other threads. Basically that they don't wanna get involved with player disputes. I'd call vote-kick abuse a player dispute wouldn't you? SE just holds their hands up and says "Whoa guys, this is between you players. I don't wanna get involved". I agree they have all that info I would think, they just don't seem to want to act on it. Though I could be wrong, I've never heard of anyone getting banned for abusing the feature.

I've been vote-kicked for not doing a speedrun. It was my second time in the dungeon and I was tank. Didn't matter. That's not a valid reason for vote-kick. I wasn't harassing anyone for not doing a speedrun, I wasn't comfortable with it as I was still learning the dungeon. I certainly wasn't AFK obviously, nor was I cheating. I was most certainly online as well. I want to see some stories of people actually getting punished for vote-kick abuse. I've never seen it happen, but that doesn't mean it doesn't. If I see players actually get banned for it, I'll change my tune.

[NyarukoW]

..If I see players actually get banned for it, I'll change my tune.

Well that is hard to see now. Given how players on the DF are very likely to be from a different server. You can not even blacklist them. And if they get banned, do you think they would come to forums complain about their punishment, and cry about their shame? What they would do instead is come here and cry about how everyone else in their group is bad, don't take advice, slowing everyone else down and deserve to be kicked, and you see plenty of posts like that. They will never admit to being vote kicked, but instead insult everyone else every chance they get.