So votekick >abuse< is practically allowed?

[Lucke]

There's a bit of hypocrisy and confusion here. If SE keeps saying that vote-kicking is between players, why even have those 4 options as to why you are kicking this person? I've heard people complain saying they were kicked for whatever reason that doesn't match those 4 reasons given and SE is just like "Not our problem". If that's the case, why even have that little disclaimer on the bottom of the window that says vote-kick abuse is a punishable act since it's clear SE doesn't get involved with vote-kicks, they obviously aren't gonna punish people for abusing it. It's all very confusing and SE is giving out a bunch of mixed signals.

[NyarukoW]

... since it's clear SE doesn't get involved with vote-kicks...

You have any evidence to back up that claim? SE does get involved with vote kick abuses There is nothing confusing about that. There are players that come on this forums to put up a bunch of smoke and mirrors trying to confuse people, but don't believe for 1 minute that the GMs are turning a blind eye to abuse. They have the data, and if enough player report the same troll abusing vote kicks, they will sort that signal out from the noise and investigate and then take action. They may not be able to punish every vote kick abuse, just like cops can't stop every shoplifter, but sooner or later, the criminal will be trip up and be nailed.

The vote kick abuser want to demoralize other players here on the forum in hope that the vast majority would become silent, passive, and unwillingly complicit, and so they will continue to spread the misinformation so they can get away with their bad behavior more easily.

[Lucke]

Yay

I'm going by the canned responses I and others get when we report potential abuse kicks and even what the GMs themselves say in this and other threads. Basically that they don't wanna get involved with player disputes. I'd call vote-kick abuse a player dispute wouldn't you? SE just holds their hands up and says "Whoa guys, this is between you players. I don't wanna get involved". I agree they have all that info I would think, they just don't seem to want to act on it. Though I could be wrong, I've never heard of anyone getting banned for abusing the feature.

I've been vote-kicked for not doing a speedrun. It was my second time in the dungeon and I was tank. Didn't matter. That's not a valid reason for vote-kick. I wasn't harassing anyone for not doing a speedrun, I wasn't comfortable with it as I was still learning the dungeon. I certainly wasn't AFK obviously, nor was I cheating. I was most certainly online as well. I want to see some stories of people actually getting punished for vote-kick abuse. I've never seen it happen, but that doesn't mean it doesn't. If I see players actually get banned for it, I'll change my tune.

[NyarukoW]

..If I see players actually get banned for it, I'll change my tune.

Well that is hard to see now. Given how players on the DF are very likely to be from a different server. You can not even blacklist them. And if they get banned, do you think they would come to forums complain about their punishment, and cry about their shame? What they would do instead is come here and cry about how everyone else in their group is bad, don't take advice, slowing everyone else down and deserve to be kicked, and you see plenty of posts like that. They will never admit to being vote kicked, but instead insult everyone else every chance they get.

[jars]

I have never been kicked and I have used the DF a lot. what exactly are you guys even doing? all you have to do is keep your head down and play somewhat competently and it won't happen.

[Dhex]

If someone is really bad or annoying I leave and find something better to do.

[BreathlessTao]

...all this stems from the simple fact that SE doesn't seem to want any sort of responsibility in this question. All they should do is pick a side: either put it down that the Duty Finder is random and anyone going there is to accept whatever situation they find themselves in, or that nobody's obligated to go through with anything in any dungeon. Former would abolish the "different playstyle" nonsense, obviously; in the case of the latter, they should just not punish people abandoning duty. That's it. But instead, we just have the doors open on both sides, so we're neither in, nor out. It's obviously not been good for so long it's baffling they still won't change that (lack of) policy. :/

[MeiUshu]

this would be classified as disturbing attitude and NOT harrassement, vote kick is existing for this reason

My grief is with the misuse of the kick vote, not when it is use approprietadly, I am against it, in my opinion should not exist, nor should the penalty exist, people should be free to go if they want to end of story BUT what is NOT acceptable is to kick people for reasons that arent one.


If you cant see the different and understand when to use what and why, then I am afraid I will requestion your age, your maturity and ability to play with others.

You make a decision your decision must be thought out, not just ...*oh let gets rid of him because we have a friend that we want in*....and kick the guy with *harrassement* as a reason just to get rid of him...

The tool is for mature people that understand the use of it and not for anyone to abuse rather then use as they see fit....your time is important then take your responsability and leave...or use kick since we have that stupid tool WHEN is approriate your example is approriate although I would have still voted *no* since after 10mn inactivity he would be kicked anyway, BUT not with the reason of *harrassement* just for disturbing the game.

I am agaisnt this, this tool shouldnt exist. Yet since they put it in place, SE shoudl also take their responsabilities and enforce sanctions against misuse of it because the disruption of being kicked for no reasons is equally as bad as having to put up with disruptive true disruptive attitude. As long as SE doesnt sanction misuse chaos is allowed and abuse too and people feel entitled to dispose of other people's time as they see fit even without true grounds for it. If your time is important and dont like where you are, just leave. Although if it was for me, those that accept to enter a dungeon and leave because they dont like it, should be sanctioned as well, but this is me I dont expect others to agree with this.

I am against this I will repeat it again but not because the tool is bad because people are bad and NOT mature enough to understand the real use that should be done of such, which then makes it a bad tool

Mei

[Chihaya]

If you are getting kicked often there's probably a reason.

Vote kick was a feature asked for by the players, which I agree with and use some what frequently - once or twice a week maybe - to get rid of trolls or people that just simply wanted to get carried without doing a thing.

I have yet been vote kicked while being present since the introduction of vote abandon, though I have probably been kicked a few times when my internet died on me.

[MeiUshu]

If you are getting kicked often there's probably a reason.

Vote kick was a feature asked for by the players, which I agree with and use some what frequently - once or twice a week maybe - to get rid of trolls or people that just simply wanted to get carried without doing a thing.

I have yet been vote kicked while being present since the introduction of vote abandon, though I have probably been kicked a few times when my internet died on me.

who said I am being kicked often?....you jump to conclusion rather fast, just beause someone is against something doesnt mean he or she is at the receiving end right ?.

didnt know there was a reason for kicking people that want to be carried without in your opinion doing a thing?...you are the reason why I am against the kick vote button.

Mei