So votekick >abuse< is practically allowed?

[SekhmetM]

Was doing a dungeon and the healer was an absolute moron. Lv40 Conjurer in Cutter's Cry. They didnt have swiftcast and only spammed cure the whole time. We wipe three times at first boss. We try to help by explaining they need WHM, regen, and need to use other skills, but this moron doesn't get it. Vote kicked.

Next healer was equally stupid as he kept using Fluid on monsters and sleeping them (I was WAR so overpower woke em up anyway). He repeatedly kept running ahead and sleeping monsters. Ninja and I were getting pissed. Told him he just needed to heal and not do those things. He asks why we're treating him like a noob. We say cause you're acting like one. He was a WHM who knew how to heal though, so despite his stupidity we managed to get through the dungeon.

We wouldnt have made it through the dungeon without votekicking the first healer. Stupid people just need to be kicked out if they're inhibiting a party. Saves time for everyone.

[Amused]

I'd rather have no vote kick option than to have it exist and be abused.

[Riepah]

I'd rather have no vote kick option than to have it exist and be abused.

Vote kick is a good thing to have, I have often seen it used in an appropriate manner, I'd go as far as to call it a "necessary" function. However, vote kick abuse should be a serious offense and should be investigated and punished, not ignored or called okay as it currently is.

[Amused]

Vote kick is a good thing to have, I have often seen it used in an appropriate manner, I'd go as far as to call it a "necessary" function. However, vote kick abuse should be a serious offense and should be investigated and punished, not ignored or called okay as it currently is.

I agree with you, but I sincerely doubt S-E cares enough to enforce the rules, or at least enforce them 100% of the time. I've made multiple reports for vote kick abuse and I still see it happening, in fact, I see it happen more and more as time passes.

I figure we can keep vote abandon as a happy medium where it's equal for everbody.

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

I'd rather have no vote kick option than to have it exist and be abused.

Yeah, I'd rather not have that happen.

That would only increase peoples toxicity while using DF. "I can fuck about cause no one can kick me."

[Amused]

Yeah, I'd rather not have that happen.

That would only increase peoples toxicity while using DF. "I can fuck about cause no one can kick me."

That's what vote abandon exists for.

I rarely ever see people intentionally sabotaging parties, on the other hand, I frequently see people abuse vote kick.

Even before we had vote kick it was a rarity for people to sabotage a party by not participating, or just screwing things up for everyone.

[Ellatrix]

That's what vote abandon exists for.

I rarely ever see people intentionally sabotaging parties, on the other hand, I frequently see people abuse vote kick.

Even before we had vote kick it was a rarity for people to sabotage a party by not participating, or just screwing things up for everyone.

You didn't play before there was vote kick. There was so much afk.

Your idea of vote kick abuse is flawed if you see it often, because it doesn't happen often.
-kicking someone for being bad and making it difficult to continue is OK
-kicking someone for being grossly undergeared making them die constantly and being a deadweight is OK
-kicking someone for refusing to go along with the majority strategy as discussed by the party is OK
-kicking someone for not participating is OK

You remember that story, where a dude takes a piss in a massive 300+ million gallon open air reservoir, then a manager wanted to drain the whole thing just because of that? That manager is you wanting to vote abandon because of one person.

[Amused]

You didn't play before there was vote kick.

Except that I did?

How could you possibly think that I didn't play? What made you jump to that conclusion? My account is legacy, which you could easily find out if you checked my lodestone. I was here at the launch of 1.0 XIV, and I was here at the launch of XIV ARR. Even my forum join date should have given you a hint.

>-kicking someone for being bad and making it difficult to continue is OK
No.
>-kicking someone for being grossly undergeared making them die constantly and being a deadweight is OK
No.
>-kicking someone for refusing to go along with the majority strategy as discussed by the party is OK
Debatable.
>-kicking someone for not participating is OK
Yes.

There was not "so much afk", and certainly not as much afk as there is vote kick abuse occurring.

[Niwashi]

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> -kicking someone for being bad and making it difficult to continue is OK
No, it's not

> -kicking someone for being grossly undergeared making them die constantly and being a deadweight is OK
No, it's not

> -kicking someone for refusing to go along with the majority strategy as discussed by the party is OK
That's only true for pre-made parties where such special conditions were explicitly listed in Party Finder (or otherwise agreed to by everyone involved). In that case, anyone joining the group is considered to have agreed to the rules for that group. Anyone joining through DF, however, has NOT made any such automatic agreement just by being there.

Agreeing to a rule and then not following it is a kickable offence. Refusing to have your ideas forced on them when they're doing their DF run is NOT a kickable offence.

> -kicking someone for not participating is OK
Yes, provided you mean not participating at all.

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

That's what vote abandon exists for.

I rarely ever see people intentionally sabotaging parties, on the other hand, I frequently see people abuse vote kick.

Even before we had vote kick it was a rarity for people to sabotage a party by not participating, or just screwing things up for everyone.

Yeah sorry, I'm not going to slough through the entirety of a dungeon, to the last boss and than vote abandon because some guy is just refusing to move and is mouthing off. Not happening.

I'll just kick him, get a replacement and move on with my life. Simpler.