So votekick >abuse< is practically allowed?

[Krr]

I'm sorry, but if three people are able and willing to complete the content but cannot because one person is holding them back for whatever reason, why should those three players be forced to leave or vote abandon?

Yes, because it's your own fault for using Duty Finder instead of a strict Party Finder if you are that obsessed with getting a clear (or multiple clears.)

[LunaHoshino]

Yes, because it's your own fault for using Duty Finder instead of a strict Party Finder if you are that obsessed with getting a clear (or multiple clears.)

It was Garuda Normal, not Garuda EX. People shouldn't have to use PF to find players who are competent enough to be able to beat a required story battle in 90 minutes.

[Ellatrix]

Yes, because it's your own fault for using Duty Finder instead of a strict Party Finder if you are that obsessed with getting a clear (or multiple clears.)

No, entering DF means you accept the responsibility to fulfill your job role. If you aren't doing that, you deserve to be kicked.

[Krr]

No, entering DF means you accept the responsibility to fulfill your job role. If you aren't doing that, you deserve to be kicked.

Where is this stated in the game or the TOS? Where's my "player is a baddie" kick option?

Oh right, nowhere.

Nobody owes you anything in DF, other than a non-disruptive and harassment-free play experience.

I hear constant "should this" and "should that" from the playerbase regarding how DF, a public tool with clear rules set by the developers, should be used, often for their own personal convenience or pleasure. Sounds like the same entitlement issue hardcore players accuse 'casuals' of having.

[Ellatrix]

Not performing your job function is disruptive.

Thanks for agreeing with me!

[Krr]

Not performing your job function is disruptive.

Thanks for agreeing with me!

Knowing I'm playing with such a self-entitled and rude player is disruptive, so I'll be sure to vote dismiss you on sight.

Do you really want to continue this slippery slope of 'all players must play how I want or they are being disruptive I am entitled to votekick them in DF?'

Of course not! And thank god for both of us that's not how the TOS works. Disruption of play must be a willful and deliberate activity. This has actually been discussed several times in old hunt threads. A player must intend to disrupt your play, they cannot simply do so because you decided their threat generation wasn't good enough or they didn't parse high enough on a (technically even more TOS-violating) meter, or because they somehow lack the skill to feed you another easy clear. Conversely, if I votekick you and you aren't willfully disrupting me, I am willfully disrupting you by misusing the vote dismiss function. Any sane interpretation of the TOS would read this way.

Frankly, the 'difference in playstyle' screenshot is trash evidence of how Vote Dismiss is interpreted by the GM team. We have no context for what the 'difference' actually was other than a sobstory report of players being mean to someone for a nebulously given reason, and it could have been anything from refusing to speedrun as a properly tank to being that jackhole who shows up to a dungeon in a snowman suit unglamoured and acts like he's entitled to a run. None of these are 'failing to perform a role'. They are willfully disrupting play by choosing not to, which is different.