So votekick >abuse< is practically allowed?

[Nabiri]

Late to the thread but just stopping in to add my opinion.

If there are going to be alternate reasons than those listed in the game for vote dismissing people, then I would really like to see those reasons added to the game. "Harassment," just doesn't fit for some things.
I would at least like to have options such as "Disruptive behaviour," added. That alone could cover a lot more, and would make more sense in some cases.

[Alukah]

Late to the thread but just stopping in to add my opinion.

If there are going to be alternate reasons than those listed in the game for vote dismissing people, then I would really like to see those reasons added to the game. "Harassment," just doesn't fit for some things.
I would at least like to have options such as "Disruptive behaviour," added. That alone could cover a lot more, and would make more sense in some cases.

I agree, it makes no sense they don't add extra options or a text box for a custom reason.

[Sakuraluna]

Late to the thread but just stopping in to add my opinion.

If there are going to be alternate reasons than those listed in the game for vote dismissing people, then I would really like to see those reasons added to the game. "Harassment," just doesn't fit for some things.
I would at least like to have options such as "Disruptive behaviour," added. That alone could cover a lot more, and would make more sense in some cases.

I like the "disruptive behavior" idea, or if they just add in "differences in playstyle", but with a disclaimer that differences in playstyle for df wouldn't cover unrealistic expectations of the other party members' gear or experience. Or something of that sort.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

What's the difference between harassment and disruptive behavior?

[Coatl]

Or he can just kick the baddie and finish the run normally.

[MeiUshu]

Or he can just kick the baddie and finish the run normally.

that happens rarely, most of the time if not each time, you kick the guy and stand there counting the sheeps just before everybody abandons because nobody is coming in or agin not the one you want and paff kick the guy again...how is that more productive I wonder

But people prefer to point fingers and define someone else as the culprit then take their responsability and leave if they dont like something

Mei

[Alukah]

that happens rarely, most of the time if not each time, you kick the guy and stand there counting the sheeps just before everybody abandons because nobody is coming in or agin not the one you want and paff kick the guy again...how is that more productive I wonder

"Happens rarely"

"most of the time"

Isn't that just anecdotal evidence? Want to know my anecdotal evidence? Most people get justified kicks, unjustified kicks happen rarely, most of the time the party gets a replacement right away.

So is your anecdotal evidence right and mine is wrong?

Did you read the anecdotal evidence a few posts earlier of that person who ran out of time in Garuda story mode, do you consider being unable to progress "more productive"?

There's a bit of hypocrisy and confusion here. If SE keeps saying that vote-kicking is between players, why even have those 4 options as to why you are kicking this person? I've heard people complain saying they were kicked for whatever reason that doesn't match those 4 reasons given and SE is just like "Not our problem". If that's the case, why even have that little disclaimer on the bottom of the window that says vote-kick abuse is a punishable act since it's clear SE doesn't get involved with vote-kicks, they obviously aren't gonna punish people for abusing it. It's all very confusing and SE is giving out a bunch of mixed signals.

I don't see the confusion, it says abusing the tool is punishable and they already said what they consider abuse, using it for griefing.

You guys just don't want to accept that you don't decide the rules and that you cannot force a party to bend to the will of one person.

[Lucke]

I don't see the confusion, it says abusing the tool is punishable and they already said what they consider abuse, using it for griefing.

They say it's punishable but I've never seen them act on it. That's the confusion. Maybe they do, I personally have never met/seen/heard of anyone being punished for abusing the feature. They say they'll do it, but don't so...do they or don't they? If they say they act on griefing and show cases of it happening, then that's a good deterrence for people to think "Maybe I shouldn't grief this person because I know SE will put money where their mouth is".

[Aylis]

They say it's punishable but I've never seen them act on it. That's the confusion.

Honestly at this point I believe they don't and never will. If for every person that was vote kicked for whatever reason submitted a petition. That would be a lot of petitions going through daily. If it were me sitting there and having to sort out which is considered griefing, what isn't griefing, who's innocent, who's trolling, was it the players fault or the parties fault. I'd eventually give up reading petitions over vote kicking too.

[MicahZerrshia]

We have had some pretty horrible players and I always try to help them out but you get those who just refuse to respond or even acknowledge you are talking to them. They just stay mysteriously silent. Tanks who wont put up shield oath, flash or rotate thru mobs, healers that just stand there doing nothing (esp in low lvls with sch who just puts eos near the tank and doesn't even draw their weapon), smn who only use pets to attack, drg/nin/mnk/brd who just auto attack and blm who just use up their mp and wait for it to come back without ice umbrals. These ppl deserve to be kicked. You need to pull your weight in an instance and when one person on the team doesn't, well you are dismissed. Just like in real life, you will be fired.

Some new players are grateful for advice and I am more than willing to help them thru, take some extra time in a dungeon to help them learn. Its what the community should do. But if you just want to auto-pilot cause you are doing other things or are just plain lazy, that's a different story and you deserve das boot. Plus lets not forget the infinite bots out there.

What really grinds my gears are the ppl who duo/triobox, and do so terribly, in dungeons. And most the time its a tank/healer combo but when you already wait in queue for 30-45 mins the last thing you want is a 30 minute lock out and another 30 minute queue. So usually you just struggle thru, die 10 times and have the clock nearly run out.