So votekick >abuse< is practically allowed?

[NyarukoW]

..If I see players actually get banned for it, I'll change my tune.

Well that is hard to see now. Given how players on the DF are very likely to be from a different server. You can not even blacklist them. And if they get banned, do you think they would come to forums complain about their punishment, and cry about their shame? What they would do instead is come here and cry about how everyone else in their group is bad, don't take advice, slowing everyone else down and deserve to be kicked, and you see plenty of posts like that. They will never admit to being vote kicked, but instead insult everyone else every chance they get.

[Alukah]

that happens rarely, most of the time if not each time, you kick the guy and stand there counting the sheeps just before everybody abandons because nobody is coming in or agin not the one you want and paff kick the guy again...how is that more productive I wonder

"Happens rarely"

"most of the time"

Isn't that just anecdotal evidence? Want to know my anecdotal evidence? Most people get justified kicks, unjustified kicks happen rarely, most of the time the party gets a replacement right away.

So is your anecdotal evidence right and mine is wrong?

Did you read the anecdotal evidence a few posts earlier of that person who ran out of time in Garuda story mode, do you consider being unable to progress "more productive"?

There's a bit of hypocrisy and confusion here. If SE keeps saying that vote-kicking is between players, why even have those 4 options as to why you are kicking this person? I've heard people complain saying they were kicked for whatever reason that doesn't match those 4 reasons given and SE is just like "Not our problem". If that's the case, why even have that little disclaimer on the bottom of the window that says vote-kick abuse is a punishable act since it's clear SE doesn't get involved with vote-kicks, they obviously aren't gonna punish people for abusing it. It's all very confusing and SE is giving out a bunch of mixed signals.

I don't see the confusion, it says abusing the tool is punishable and they already said what they consider abuse, using it for griefing.

You guys just don't want to accept that you don't decide the rules and that you cannot force a party to bend to the will of one person.

[Lucke]

I don't see the confusion, it says abusing the tool is punishable and they already said what they consider abuse, using it for griefing.

They say it's punishable but I've never seen them act on it. That's the confusion. Maybe they do, I personally have never met/seen/heard of anyone being punished for abusing the feature. They say they'll do it, but don't so...do they or don't they? If they say they act on griefing and show cases of it happening, then that's a good deterrence for people to think "Maybe I shouldn't grief this person because I know SE will put money where their mouth is".

[Aylis]

They say it's punishable but I've never seen them act on it. That's the confusion.

Honestly at this point I believe they don't and never will. If for every person that was vote kicked for whatever reason submitted a petition. That would be a lot of petitions going through daily. If it were me sitting there and having to sort out which is considered griefing, what isn't griefing, who's innocent, who's trolling, was it the players fault or the parties fault. I'd eventually give up reading petitions over vote kicking too.

[NyarukoW]

.... I'd eventually give up reading petitions....

Imagine all the cops took an attitude like that, criminals would run free. You may not care, but do NOT mistake it for SE or the GMs not caring. They do what they can given their human limitations. They will not show you what they do other than their periodic ban wave announcements. In addition to protecting individual privacy/confidentiality, it makes sense, so players don't get to try to game the GMs and use them to troll other players causing even more problems.

[Mogi]

Iv act had a GM chat with me about getting vote kick after i file a complaint so the GMs do look into it and stuff but there not going to say heyyyyyy we ban them for you haha troll

[Krr]

No, entering DF means you accept the responsibility to fulfill your job role. If you aren't doing that, you deserve to be kicked.

Where is this stated in the game or the TOS? Where's my "player is a baddie" kick option?

Oh right, nowhere.

Nobody owes you anything in DF, other than a non-disruptive and harassment-free play experience.

I hear constant "should this" and "should that" from the playerbase regarding how DF, a public tool with clear rules set by the developers, should be used, often for their own personal convenience or pleasure. Sounds like the same entitlement issue hardcore players accuse 'casuals' of having.

[Ellatrix]

Not performing your job function is disruptive.

Thanks for agreeing with me!

[Dhex]

If someone is really bad or annoying I leave and find something better to do.

[BreathlessTao]

...all this stems from the simple fact that SE doesn't seem to want any sort of responsibility in this question. All they should do is pick a side: either put it down that the Duty Finder is random and anyone going there is to accept whatever situation they find themselves in, or that nobody's obligated to go through with anything in any dungeon. Former would abolish the "different playstyle" nonsense, obviously; in the case of the latter, they should just not punish people abandoning duty. That's it. But instead, we just have the doors open on both sides, so we're neither in, nor out. It's obviously not been good for so long it's baffling they still won't change that (lack of) policy. :/